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Parler is shut down completely

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Cooky, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. KenS

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    They haven't. If it were so, the Ayatollah would have been banned too.
     
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    You really need to work on your reading comprehension

    And no, Freedom of Speech is NOT at risk here.
     
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    What do you mean, "they haven't"? What are you referring to? That Parler did not moderate posts inciting violence? They in fact did fail to do that, and were booted off Amazon's AWS cloud services because they failed. There is more than ample proof of their failure to moderate.

    And what do you mean about the Ayatollah? Is he running a website on AWS? And is he using it to foment insurrection, and Amazon is not doing anything about it? Can you point me to your source for this claim, if you believe it's true?

    I'd like to remind you, free speech is allowed in this country still. The government is not suppressing anyone. Amazon is not the government. And again, freedom of speech, does not mean freedom to use anyone's services you want to foment violent insurrections against the government. You don't have a right to have you hate materials published for free.

    If you wish to speak about freedom of speech, you need to address that point. Do you think haters have a right to use your church building as a recruitment site?
     
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    It is censorship. And the "make your own Twitter" argument does not fly, as Twitter has become the public square, and US courts have previously declared Trumps Twitter account a public utility where the presidents communicates with the public.
     
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    No it is not. Censorship is when the government suppresses free speech. Amazon is not the government, nor takes orders from the government.

    There’s no First Amendment problem with taking these privileges away; Americans don’t have a constitutional right to have their speech disseminated by private companies. On the contrary, the First Amendment gives people and companies alike the freedom not to associate with speech they abhor.

    Opinion | The Scary Power of the Companies That Finally Shut Trump Up

    Wrong! The U.S. Courts had absolutely nothing to do with that. That was Twitter's, and Twitter's alone decision. The government, nor the court had anything whatsoever to do with Twitter's internal policies choosing to allow him on, or to remove him. Zero. None.
     
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    Some international comments about Twitters censorship of the US president:

    Alexei Navalny, Russian Dissident:
    “I think that the ban of Donald Trump on Twitter is an unacceptable act of censorship. Don’t tell me he was banned for violating Twitter rules. I get death threats here every day for many years, and Twitter doesn’t ban anyone (not that I ask for it).
    Of course, Twitter is a private company. But we have seen many examples in Russian and China of such private companies becoming the state’s best friends and the enablers when it comes to censorship.”

    Angela Merkel, German chancellor, via spokesman Steffen Seibert:
    “The right to freedom of opinion is of fundamental importance. Given that, the chancellor considers it problematic that the president’s accounts have been permanently suspended.”

    Boris Johnson:
    “Social media companies are entitled to make their own moderation decisions. Social media companies must be held accountable for the consistent, transparent, and effective enforcement of their terms and conditions.”

    Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, President of Mexico:
    “I don’t like anybody being censored or taking away from the right to post a message on Twitter or Facebook. I don’t agree with that, I don’t accept that. A court of censorship like the Inquisition to manage public opinion: this is really serious.”

    They seem in disagreement with Jack Dorsey. But hey, never say nobody agrees with Big Tech.

    Islamist Chechen leader Ramzan Kaydorov:
    “Now I have something in common with Donald Trump: whereas previously he blocked my accounts on social networks, now the Almighty God has restored justice, and, as a result, the accounts of the mutinous Donald Trump were also blocked.”

    Hillary Clinton also chimed in in support of censorship.

    I have not heard from Xi Yi Ping and Putin yet, but a safe bet is they love it too.

    So, at least some friends.
     
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    I disagree... maybe your logic need help? ;)
     
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    Disagree all you like.
    The US Supreme Court has declared, through multiple cases, that this is not a free speech violation.
    If you want to argue that it is, take it up with the US Supreme Court.

    Parler violated the agreement with their hosting site.
    Their hosting site dropped them.
    Now Parler will have to find a new hosting site.

    This is nothing more than a breach of contract.
    Parler breached the contract.
     
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    The right of freedom of speech in the Constitution deals with government limitation of speech. Not upon businesses that are not part of the government in any way. This is not a freedom of speech issue. The Supreme Court allowing to run their companies as they see fit is not the government interfering with the speech of anyone.
     
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    That is a very superficial view on a very wide and varied subject.
     
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    Parler might have a civil case if its host allowed
    Twitter to survive despite its record of dangerous
    language. Both Twitter & Parler took steps to
    moderate such language, so there's a question
    about whether the standards applied to Parler
    were inconsistent.
    So freedom of speech can be a contractual issue
    even when its not constitutional.
     
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    It is all that is required in this case.
     
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    What position?
    All you have done is declare "Freedom of Speech Violation" and start jumping up and down.
     
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    ???????????

    You supported my position with your site.

    So who just jumped up and down?
     
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    Who blocked Parler?

    Parler breached their contract with Amazon so Amazon dropped them.

    How is this a "Freedom of Speech" case?
    Are you claiming that Amazon had no right to drop Parler over the breach of contract?


    As for Trump not being allowed to block anyone on the Presidential Account, it was ruled that it being a public government account, it is a "Freedom of Speech" violation for him to block anyone.
     
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    Actually no. Amazon is now being sued for breach of contract. And you still supported my position by the site your quoted. :)
     
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    What are you talking about?
    You made no "point" about Lauren Boebert being sued.

    Other than some vague implication that her case and the Parler case were somehow similiar.
     
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