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Discussion in 'Theological Concepts' started by The Sum of Awe, Nov 21, 2022.

  1. Father Heathen

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    I wasn't critiquing your POV, just summarizing my own.
     
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  2. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.

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    This is all actually happening. What the heck???
    What are your thoughts on it, though? The idea that the universe has a sort of self-created 'meaning' to existing? That there's a reason to everything that happens?
     
  3. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.

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    What are your thoughts on it, though? The idea that the universe has a sort of self-created 'meaning' to existing? That there's a reason to everything that happens?
     
  4. vulcanlogician

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    I would tend to say that, in my experience, reality is impersonal. I expect reality to treat me no differently than it does rocks or sand. If someone expects the universe (or reality) to behave like a person, I'd say they have a lot of work ahead of them to justify that position. But many theists believe exactly that.
     
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  5. soulsurvivor

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    The One Universal God is impersonal but conscious. It is best not to call it a he or a she because it is neither. It permeates all of existence and is yet beyond it - this means if the Universe is totally destroyed, this 'God' will still remain.

    There are many, many personal Gods (as the Hindus have said 330 million or some number like that) but worship of any personal God ultimately reaches the impersonal, universal One. When the Universe ends or is totally destroyed, these personal Gods will disappear with it.
     
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  6. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.

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    I like that view, I’ve been testing the waters with personal gods lately, I’m still exploring but Krishna is interesting to me for some reason. Probably because he is my first experience with Hinduism.

    Before all that I was praying to the universe directly and the results seemed to be a hit or miss
     
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  7. soulsurvivor

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    You may be interested in reading about the various Hindu Gods/Goddesses here: Hindu Gods and Goddesses
     
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  8. Valjean

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    How a force? How do you define "force?"
    Doesn't a force change things? Isn't it a thing apart from the thing changed?

    Brahman is unchanging, it's beyond time, and it's non-dual. There is nothing for a force to work on; nothing exists that is not the entirety of Brahman.
     
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    Neti, neti.
     
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    Ultimately, nothing "happens." That's all an illusion, a hallucination.
    Time and change are illusions.

    Everything that ever existed or happened,
    Everything that does exist and is happening,
    Everything that will exist or will happen, and
    Everything that can exist or could happen, Exists and is happening NOW. Past and future are as real as the now.

    All Reality is a timeless, changeless Now, a Brahman.
     
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  11. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.

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    Okay, I can understand that. There is no change or process, time is an illusion, and there is just Brahman, and Brahman simply is? So that means that all things at all instances of time and space, as one, is the form of Brahman, correct?

    But why is Brahman? Why is there not Brahman?
     
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  12. Father Heathen

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    :shrug:
     
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  13. Valjean

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    Is Brahman. Correct.

    But why is Brahman? Why is there not Brahman?[/QUOTE]
    No idea.
     
  14. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yes. IMHO, it is a force, 'physical energy'. It is not an anthropomorphic being. Yeah, personal Gods (or Goddesses) do not make sense to me.
    IMHO, It has no intention, does not need any experience. It fluctuates according to its rules every Planck's interval. That gives us the impression that it is reacting to something.
    But, of course, people will see that in their own way.
    Do you see a meaning? As for the reason why universe came to exist, we have not found it yet. My best guess is that if has got something to do with existence and non-existence. Perhaps non-existence is a phase of existence. Of course, just like relativity and quantum mechanics when they were first postulated, we cannot visualize it yet.
     
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  15. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    The link explains the writer's views on Hinduism, but his understanding of Hinduism is deficient and so also his presentation. But I appreciate the effort. Hopefully, the site will improve with time. I find the following disturbing and an unnecessary exension:

    "Essentially there are three main Hindu Gods (similar to the Christian Trinity*):
    *Father, Son and Holy Spirit respectively."

    Not all Hindus will agree that Gods (and Goddesses) are forms of some Supreme Spirit. Generalizing does not work with Hinduism. There is no need to add Theosophy to Hinduism.

    We know there are 118 elements. The first 98 elements listed in the periodic table occur naturally while the rest can only be found in nuclear accelerators and laboratories. Five element theory is what was believed in olden days, world has moved ahead. How Many Elements Are There?

    Everything is a 'cosmic incarnation', even a stone in River Tames. So, why list five and other mortals? Instead it could be said that these are important people in modern Hinduism. They are not incarnations of any God or Goddess. The heading gives an incorrect impression.
     
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  16. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Brahman is the thing. Brahman is the force. These are not two. All things are made of 'physical energy'. Brahman is unchanging really means Brahman does not change what it does, fluctuating according to its ways. That creates the impression of changing things, which Hindus term as 'maya', illusion.
    Correct. Who knows if 'Brahman' is 'not Brahman too'? Who knows if 'existence' is 'non-existence' too? We do not understand that at present. It is a question for future generations, just like relativity was not known in my great grandpa's time.
     
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