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Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by Rival, Jun 10, 2021.

  1. Marcion

    Marcion panentheistic neo-humanistic gopa

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    My tantra-yoga tradition of course is not part of any religion, but it is full of stuff you need to do all day (and night). But it only works when you are into doing social service as well as other practices. Otherwise you become imbalanced.

    An English guy I met in London was deep into witchcraft (all kinds of magic practices).
    When he met the tantra-yoga Guru in person, he was told that he needed to stop all of his magic practices except laying Tarot cards (he hadn't told the Guru about it, but he knew anyway).

    He also told me that as a boy he had climed to the top of a high mountain in Wales and had thought to himself 'now I'm all alone, no-one in the world knows I'm here'. When he met the Guru, he reminded him of his thoughts on that mountain and told him that he was wrong and that he is never alone.
     
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  2. Trailblazer

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    Sorry, I was in a hurry last night because it was very late and I just go back from urgent care where my husband had to go because he is very sick.

    As a Baha'i, I believe that God's Laws are absolutely essential if humanity is to survive, progress and evolve spiritually. I believe that God's Laws are a sign of God's mercy unto men. A lawless society is mere chaos. God has decreed as lawful whatsoever He pleased to decree, and has, through the power of His sovereign might, forbidden whatsoever He elected to forbid. Men, however, have wittingly broken His law, and that is the cause of evil in the world.

    Baha'u'llah wrote a Book of Laws called The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, and the following are some excerpts from the Introduction, a rough idea of what the Book is all about:

    “In its affirmation of the validity of the great religions of the past, the Kitáb-i-Aqdas reiterates those eternal truths enunciated by all the Divine Messengers: the unity of God, love of one’s neighbour, and the moral purpose of earthly life. At the same time it removes those elements of past religious codes that now constitute obstacles to the emerging unification of the world and the reconstruction of human society……

    Throughout, it is the relationship of the individual soul to God and the fulfilment of its spiritual destiny that is 3 the ultimate aim of the laws of religion. “Think not”, is Bahá’u’lláh’s own assertion, “that We have revealed unto you a mere code of laws. Nay, rather, We have unsealed the choice Wine with the fingers of might and power.” His Book of Laws is His “weightiest testimony unto all people, and the proof of the All-Merciful unto all who are in heaven and all who are on earth”.
    The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Introduction, pp. 2-3
     
  3. Marcion

    Marcion panentheistic neo-humanistic gopa

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    You are absolutely correct, without following Yama & Niyama sadhana becomes an impossibility.
    And without sadhana there can be no true progress in life, it will become like a stagnant pool.
     
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  4. The Hammer

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    No it didn't.

    You felt that you had to correct it.

    It could have been left alone.
     
  5. The Hammer

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    Get to building that practice, as you want it. That is what I am doing. Slowly building in daily and weekly rituals that help me.

    If you want pointers or direction or guidance, ask me. I am willing to help.

    It's really all I ever have tried to do around here is help others be secure in their path :)
     
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  6. Trailblazer

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    And we appreciate that. :)
     
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  7. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    The new code is the same as the old code. It is just an addition to the existing ones. What the new code says was already present in the old codes (except for the manifestation story). One God antagonizes the Hindus and the Buddhists (1.7 billion), and the claim of the Iranian that he is a messenger of Allah antagonizes Christians and Muslims (4.3 billion). What proof the Iranian gives in support of his claim, the vision of a 'heavenly maiden' in his sleep?
     
  8. Trailblazer

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    An omnipotent God does not care of the billions of adherents to older religions don't like that he set a new Messenger. What are they going to do to hurt an omnipotent God? Older religions have always rejected the religions that came after their religion.
    In the future it will be different when everyone adheres to one religion.

    I have told you what the evidence is, all the evidence that there is, and I told you that no Messenger of God can ever prove He is a Messenger. That has to be believed on faith, coupled with the evidence.
     
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    Are you crazy! How could He possibly gives a proof for that? There is no proof for that.
     
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  10. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    What is the proof of existence of a God? What is the proof that he sends messengers? And what is the proof that the Iranian was one? For me all hog-wash. You are living in a fool's paradise if you think that all people of the world would accept one religion.
     
  11. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Right. Now I am crazy that I ask for proof and you are wise that you accept things without proof. Never heard a better definition of a wise person.
     
  12. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    No. I am a Hindu. Buddha according to most Hindus is the ninth avatara of Lord Vishnu. I am an atheist Hindu. Buddha is my guru. How could I leave misinformation about Hinduism and Buddhism to go unchallenged?
    Trailblazer and Truthseeker9 are Bahais. I will have no problem with their religion if they do not insert Hinduism and Buddhism in their posts. Their Iranian leader did not do it. Now if they do it, then I will respond appropriately. Why should they interfere in my religion? A Muslim or a Christian also do the same. Bahaism is a religion which creates friction rather than peace and unity. It tries to belittle all other religions of the world.
     
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  13. Truthseeker9

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    His life and teaching was His proof mostly of His vision, but that He said He saw a maiden is no proof.
     
  14. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    What about his life? All his life he never worked, lived luxuriously with his three wives and fourteen children (except for the four months in the Iranian prison), his followers paid for his upkeep, did not face the oppression that his followers faced. Even after his death, his son and later his great grandson lived the same way.
    Which religion does not talk about unity and peace? So, what is new in the teachings of this Iranian? It was just a rehash. The only addition was that he was a messenger of Allah.
     
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    He was detached at all times from his surroundings, whether in prison or in a mansion. His great suffering in reality came because He came before He was born in a world that was perfectly spiritual, and had to come down to a realm where people had faults. He especially suffered because of the misdeeds of His followers, especially those who broke the covenant, like His half-brother. For Him physical suffering was nothing compared to the abuse He was subjected to.

    Those who cam into His presence could not speak a word they were so overwhelmed, at least those who a modicum of spirituality.

    He created a framework along with His son and great-grandson that will the last hope of humanity.

    He further shed light along with His son great-grandson of what living a spiritual life is all about, and how to get close to God.

    You don't know any of that because you are ignorant of what the Baha'i Faith is about.
     
  16. Trailblazer

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    The distant future will not look anything lime today. Not for a very long time, but eventually it will happen, because it has been ordained by God, and what is ordained by God always comes to pass eventually.

    “That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith. This can in no wise be achieved except through the power of a skilled, an all-powerful and inspired Physician. This, verily, is the truth, and all else naught but error.”
    The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 91
     
  17. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Ah! You too are a prophetess. You know what will happen in future.
    Such belief whether your's or of the Iranian, are schizophrenic, maniacal.
     
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  18. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    He ex-communicated nearly his whole of family, and the same was done by Abdul Baha also. He did not tolerate dissent. He was a dictator where his influence worked. The rest of what you have written in word-salad and apologistics.
     
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  19. Shadow Wolf

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    When it's therapy it needs to be evidence based. This idea of "as long as it helps some people" Is why the massive failure of the faith-based 12 Step Programs have failed to work for most people but is remarkably well liked, tolerated, and promoted (this is the case for most addiction recovery treatments. It's not evidence based. "It works for me" isn't going to cut it if the word therapy is going to be used.
    And, of course, many states have a legal loophole where you can call yourself a "councilor" and promote whatever pseudoscience, armchair psych, pop-psych twaddle you want.
    This stuff has consequences, typically not for the person causing harm.
     
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