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Paedophila

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Druidus, Apr 28, 2005.

  1. IndigoChild

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    YAY!

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  2. Melody

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    Kat,
    I'm not sure what kind of game you're playing, but your last few rambling posts have me convinced that you're deliberately trying to yank a few chains here. On the one hand you talk about moronic adults who hate children because they hated their own childhood or who only had children because society told them they had to breed....and on the other you make rambling statements that seem to suggest that we should go on our merry way and not worry about the choices our children make. That we should be as carefree as an "animal". In any case, it's a game I'm not playing because I have no clue exactly what you're debating anymore.
     
  3. Prima

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    ***MOD POST***

    Let's keep this thread on-topic, polite, and without personal attacks, ladies and gentlemen :)
     
  4. Prima

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    Michel already posted the first bit - I've often wondered whether there has been more research done, and what the outcome was, but I haven't managed to find any. I'll keep looking, though.

    For the young children masturbating bit - I'll check with those people and see if they mind me using their accounts :)
     
  5. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    paedophilia - right or wrong

    it is not a sin to be tempted with thought of children - it is how a person tempted by these thoughts reacts to them

    i think that it is wrong to act out this sort of fantasy in any way that includes the usage of an actual child - an actual child that is present OR pictures of a child

    if a guy wants to *please* himself on thoughts of a child then he can do - in his own home - with out using a child in any way at all - i suppose that is relatively acceptable - though i would warn all who do this that they are feeding their desire and lust by doing so - causing a spiral effect leading them further into temptation

    in response to the idea about using child pornography - using any form of pornography can be adictive - and using it exessivley leads to a minnor addiction - you then need ot use more hard core porn to get the same affect - and then you need more of that to still get the same affect (the spiral of temptation)

    if a person who had thoughts about children used this type of porography surely they would also get a minnor addiction - need more hard core pictures of children - and want more explicit pictures or video footage - where would you draw the line? would this also not feed that persons desire and make them want to go out and *engage* with a child more than they had previously done?

    i think it would do

    also can i jsut say that talking about rape statistice - we are only talking about REPORTED rape - more rape is reported now-a-days, but this doesnt mean that there was less rape before now - its just that we know about it happening now

    and also i dont think you can compare it to homosexuality - they are completely different

    God Bless
     
  6. michel

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    Is the thought of 'lust' not as bad as the act itself?

    Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
    Matthew 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?



    Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies;)
     
  7. Mike182

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    if you toy with the idea - but decide not to act on it then you have conquerd that particular sin for the time being - but if you toy with it and then give into it then you have fallen - be that masturbating over the thought of actually going out and using a child

    am i making snese - am i even relative to the thread lol

    little bit confused by myself - damn my complex mind :eek: :banghead3

    erm - lust - what is lust? do you ever get that thing when you say a word loads and then it looses all meaning - well i jsut got it and i cannot think what lust is
     
  8. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    Then I have committed murder many times over, for I have thought it. And I know others have too. I don't follow the Bible, neither does the law. The Bible is no reason to make anything illegal.
     
  9. Mike182

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    GOT IT :D
    in doing so they are feeding their desire which will result in them lusting for that particular intimacy



    does that read better?
     
  10. Mike182

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    yes im sure many people have thought about murder - i have

    but a very small minority of us actually go out and do it - same with sexually orientated crimes - im sur emany people watch stuff - think about things etc - but a small minority go out and actually do it
     
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  11. michel

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    It gets worse............
    Pornographic materials are means which have promoted masturbation and all forms of illicit sexual activities between partners or grloups. Masturbation is to be avoided because it promotes and teaches "sex is for self-gratification." Masturbation is also known to be very habit-forming, to be addictive. Self-gratification opposes the loving, self-giving, "other-gratifying" spirit which Scripture proclaims between husband and wife. Biblical, joyful, loving sexuality is marital, both husband and wife desiring to please the other. Therefore, an early practice of masturbation can produce a "self-pleasing" view of sexual activity that will hinder and harm later husband-wife relations or an addicting habit which will create later marital problems. ​



    How does the spirit of pornography directly oppose the spirit of the following verses? ​





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    Dearly beloved, I beseech you as stranger and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul.
    [/font]- I Peter 2:11





    Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatosever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think of these things.
    [font=arial, helvetica]- Philippians 4:8



     
  12. Druidus

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    Good post, Corrupt.

    *Aims Frubalizing Beam*
     
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  13. Mike182

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    awwww thankyou :jiggy:
     
  14. IndigoChild

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    So I can't stay on topic, so what?

    If we were all "carefree," all our world's problems, including people thinking they have to breed if they don't want to, will disappear.

    Kat
     
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    edited by author
     
  16. IndigoChild

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    I have said my peace. I have my beliefs, and no one seems to be able to keep up. I'm getting frustrated by the slowness I percieve here, and as I don't wish to offend anyone (though I'm sorry to say I probably have in my moments of lower vibration), I will not return to this topic for a while. I cannot help it we all are not at the same level, and it shouldn't bother me. No one can fail in this thing called Life, and so in response to my frustration here, I will step down. My experiences may have brought me farther and faster on this path than others, but I still have a lot of work to do. I still have difficulty tolerating those of closed minds or fundamentalist religious belief, and I need to go work on that.

    Before I go, though, I wish to apologize to anyone I may have offended when I was in my bad moods. I have to go back to the place where I've been developing my peace. I have a couple of friends on here who know what I'm talking about. I have to return to my soul work, and stop letting this place distract me. Sorry, no offense. I will return when I'm ready again, and hopefully I will put more thought into what I say when I do.

    I love you all, for Thou Art God and Life, expressing.

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  17. michel

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    I am sorry if I have offended you, Kat, I often try to find a 'balanced view' by posting from both aspects - if there is scripture that is pertinent, I will post it. I try to stay unemotionaly involved in topics - the only ones that have really upset me of late are the one about guns, the terrorist attacks on London, and the treason of the Jewish Prime minister towards his own.:)
     
  18. IndigoChild

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    Not your fault, it's all me. I have issues to work on. Bullies... my mind sometimes irrationally jumps to conclusions when people say things and thus mis-percieves things. So I try to remember the wisdom that "The conclusion you jump to may be your own."

    Maybe this will help you understand me more - I am a very fluctuating personality. My mind is like a busy city, only less orderly. Usually it is a benign chaos, an intellectual storm of ideas. But on occasion my issues come up and take over. It had been getting worse and worse with time until one day I just picked up "Friendship With God" by Mr. Walsch and started reading it. I needed it, it helped me start to get back on the path. I still have a long way to go, and I may not "get it" in this lifetime.

    With that in mind, now you may understand that my "farewell post" was entirely sincere at the time, because of which parts of me were in control then, but once I calmed down I realized I didn't want to leave the whole forum. I'm just going to leave this thread. I am an idealist at heart, especially where children and society are concerned, and yet my thoughts on how to solve these problems are in chaos.

    And now you also understand why my ramblings don't always fit together. Lots of thoughts swirling around in there and they don't seem to work well together. I know the essence of what I believe, but the details elude me for this reason.

    I love you all, but I am leaving this thread. I will still hang around RF, though.

    Kat
     
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    Thanks for the link, michel. :) Actually, I didn't doubt that it was true. It's when my requests for evidence go unanswered that I start doubting. (IndigoChild, for example, has yet to provide any facts to support the claims which I addressed in my last post.)
     
  20. IndigoChild

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    Which were those again? I have a tendency to forget things.

    Kat
     
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