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PA Judge throws out Trump case

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by ecco, Nov 22, 2020 at 9:20 AM.

  1. ecco

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    Trump lost the big one. Actually, "lost" is too mild of a word to describe the outcome. The judge ripped Guiliani and Trump new you-know-whats.


    In blistering ruling, judge throws out Trump suit in Pa.
    In blistering ruling, judge throws out Trump suit in Pa.
    U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote in his order that Trump had asked the court to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.

    “One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,” Brann wrote, so much that the court would have no option but to stop the certification even though it would impact so many people. “That has not happened.”
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    Brann ruled that Pennsylvania officials can certify election results that currently show Biden winning the state by more than 80,000 votes. He said the Trump campaign presented “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations ... unsupported by evidence.”

    “In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,” the opinion said. “Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”

    Sen. Pat Toomey, a Pennsylvania Republican who had a hand in placing Brann on the bench during the Obama administration, said the ruling showed Trump had exhausted all possible legal avenues in the state and went on to congratulate Biden on his victory. He called Brann “a longtime conservative Republican whom I know to be a fair and unbiased jurist.”

    On a slightly different note, I reviewed the outcomes of all the Trump election lawsuits (same website, further down). In roughly half of the cases, the plaintiffs/attorneys withdrew. These were mostly the type of cases where one or several individuals "swore" they saw or heard something wrong with the ballot/counting process.

    There is a big difference between signing an affidavit and standing in a courtroom in front of a judge. In those circumstances, one's memory of the situation oft times changes. So all the affidavits Giuliani was waving around during his press conference - pretty much worthless.

    The sad/funny part is that the lawyers had to know, coming in, that these suits would amount to nothing. But, they are getting paid big bucks - win or lose. It strokes Trump's ego having a whole lot of cases challenging the outcome. When he loses, he can rail on about liberal judges deciding an election.

    Who is paying these expensive lawyers? Mostly the sheeples who continue to contribute money to the Rudy Giuliani retirement fund...

    Giuliani Is Said to Seek $20,000 a Day Payment for Trump Legal Work
    Rudolph W. Giuliani, who has helped oversee a string of failed court challenges to President Trump’s defeat in the election, asked the president’s campaign to pay him $20,000 a day for his legal work, multiple people briefed on the matter said.​
     
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  2. Shaul

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    Team Trump is playing a long game. The initial rounds are just preludes. They want to get to the Supreme Court. This particular ruling actually will speed up getting to the final outcome, whatever that will be.
     
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  3. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    Ah, so they are just pretending to have no evidence. Trying to trick the Democrats into being overconfident. Diabolical!
     
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  4. Shadow Wolf

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    No, he's throwing a ***** fit like a little child who thinks when mom tells him no he can go ask grandma to hope for a different outcome. Trump is behaving no differently.
     
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  5. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Obviously, the judges are in on the conspiracy to
    steal the election from Trump. (So I've been told.)
     
  6. fantome profane

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    It’s bigger than that. Trump’s own lawyers are in on the conspiracy. Think about it. Why else would they keep withdrawing cases? Why would they go into court saying they have no evidence (obviously they are lying).

    Clearly the communist Venezuelan lizard people have gotten to them.
     
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  7. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    They've watched the old Perry Mason show,
    where the ferret out the evidence during rather
    than before court.
    I saw a lawyer employ that technique once.
     
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    Clearly the lizard people have gotten to you too.
     
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  9. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    And they'd like to meet you.
    [​IMG]
     
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    It's not lizard people, it's an army of the dead who rise every two years to march to the polls! We must ensure these literal deadheads follow the law. They are dead. They don't get a vote. #DeadLivesMustStayDead
     
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    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Please....they're the "living impaired".
     
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    There's actually a wider conspiracy at work, as we've become a front in the Temporal Cold War. Temporal Agents are operating here on Earth as we speak.
     
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    Most lizard people are decent and respectable, but it's just a few bad apples who are bad.
     
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    Plan 9 1/2 from inner space.
     
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    You think they are withholding real evidence, to save for the Supreme Court?

    But surely, if they do that, won't the Supreme Court send the case back, to be reheard by the original court on the basis of the "new" evidence?
     
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    Technically that's what they would do. In the current state of affairs there isn't even a cause of an appeal to that decision let alone an appeal to the SCOTUS.
     
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    Since when is going to court “throwing a fit”? Isn’t rioting in the streets a la BLM more so?
     
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    With no evidence it is incredibly unlikely the SC will hear his case. They may even vote to decline his case given there is no evidence.
     
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    That's rather how it seemed to me, but I'm British so guessing a bit here.

    What I find funny is the notion that the Supreme Court will do what suits Trump because he's appointed so many of the judges. That's how a jumped-up real state dealer thinks, no doubt. But they are, in fact, judges. They will not have any intention of presiding over the collapse of the USA into a banana republic. If he does get to the Supreme Court, which I doubt, it will be popcorn time.:D
     
  20. Shaul

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    I think they would be happy to present heir evidence in any court. This PA court seems scared to allow them to present their evidence in open court.
     
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