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Oxford Islam Essay

Discussion in 'Seekers Circle' started by Ellen Brown, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Well-Known Member
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    I just happened upon this Essay, and have not read it entirely. It does seem unemotional, and hopefully factual, however. I hope this is a breath of fresh air in the face of all the slanderous experts that appear to know little.

    Women and Islam - Oxford Islamic Studies Online


    PS I did get a reply from my email inquiry to the Oxford site. It seems that access to the library is $125 a year. It is a bit of a stretch for me, but it seems reasonable for someone doing serious research.
     
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    The article seems misogynistic to me.
     
  3. Ellen Brown

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    LOL, if you think the Article is Misogynistic, I was a full on Muslim for 9 years, and some of them were bloody awful. Did you actually read it? In the Article, women had equal rights, and women often taught and worked with the men. During Kutbah, the men and women were together but later it was men on one side and women on the other. Eventually, many years later, more conservative groups put the women in another room.

    Modern Islam is very much more misogynistic now. The men are so adamant about Hijab, Muhammad PBUH was not. I've sent an email trying to find out the Authorship to see if they are Muslims.
     
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    A lot of brave women fighting against cultural oppression.
     
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  5. Ellen Brown

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    Islam started out very wonderful. It was the plonkers after Muhammad PBUH that ruined it.
     
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    I found the article generally informative, but felt that it tended towards a bit of a true Scotsman assertion in portraying the reformers of Islam as those truer to the ideals of the Quran than the traditionalists.

    Whilst there is nothing wrong with believing the reformers are truer I think it taints the objectivity of the article to portray that belief as factual and can only hope they would be able to demonstrate the factuality of such a belief upon request.
     
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    It seems to me more like observations of a misogynist culture than judging that culture to be correct.

    In other words it seemed like observation of misogyny which doesn’t make the article itself misogynistic
     
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    @Ellen Brown - Of course I read it.

    @danieldemol - I see your point. But to me it had a sort of "look, women can even do X" condescending tone.
     
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    That is the way it usually seems to go with religion. One guy has a good idea, then all of the wanttabes get ahold of it.
     
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