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Featured Overwhelming Historical Proof: Why do you doubt Jesus?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Animore, Aug 21, 2016.

  1. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    What do you mean with hate replies? You mean hate towards you? Forget it. We love you guys.

    We hate the belief, but we love the believer.

    Ciao

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  2. meghanwaterlillies

    meghanwaterlillies Well-Known Member

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    Seen some of your posts, going to say ciao only in English, without the I but with the "ch" and add an s.
     
  3. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Well, although I too think that a real Jesus existed, I propose that Einstein was factually incorrect to state that, "no man can deny the fact..." Lots of people have denied the fact. They may have been wrong, but they were able to do it!

    More importantly, to me, though, is what Einstein refers to as "his sayings," whether beautiful or divine, or not. I have little doubt that some of what is recorded in the NT as having been said by Jesus were indeed said by him -- although there's a strong possibility, written down so long after he said them, that there was some paraphrasing. But I am equally strongly persuaded that a lot of what are purported to be direct quotes of Jesus were made up of whole cloth by the writers of the NT, writing 20 to 70 or so years after his demise.
     
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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    And? Do you like my posts? :)

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  5. meghanwaterlillies

    meghanwaterlillies Well-Known Member

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    lol what do you believe in?
     
  6. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Not in God. Obviously ;)

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  7. meghanwaterlillies

    meghanwaterlillies Well-Known Member

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    what than? Gnostic Atheism LOL
     
  8. Milton Platt

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    -A liar
    -A delusional psychotic
    -Someone who never made claims of Messiahship
    -A great spiritual soul, not fully understood.
    -The one true Messiah, the Christ come into the world


    Also,
    -just an average Joe who did none of these things
    -a fictional character
    -a radical Rabbi that was painted larger than life after his death by his followers
    The list could be yards long........

    Not to put to fine a point on it, but nothing you listed can be stated as "historical" evidence. It is all anecdotal and generally by anonymous authors. It is fine to have your beliefs, but you are overstating your case.
     
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  9. Milton Platt

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    I fail to see the specificity of the prophecies. No specific date or time is given. I can make a prediction and given enough time, a set of circumstances will arise that fit the prophecy.
     
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  10. ukok102nak

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    ancient as the word itself until they called it the true christians
    ~;> actually not at all
    becaused up to now not a single person on earth could predict the very nature of an earthquake
    meaning no one knows when it will happened and what everyone knows is how it is being defined

    as they say
    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.


    :ty:



    godbless
    unto all always
     
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  11. Sapiens

    Sapiens Polymathematician

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    You are making all sorts of unwarranted assumptions.

    1. Scripture - that's circular reasoning and proves nothing.
    2. Who could He be? - perhaps he wasn't anyone at all.
    3. The tomb - an unknown tomb for an unknown person ... goes back to those unreliable scriptures, poor evidence at best.'
    4. Saul's Convictions - There are no reliable sources for Paul's life outside the New Testament and the New Testament is not supportable as a historical text boolk/

    So, where does that leave you? Remember ... you have every right to your own opinion, but no right to your own facts.
     
  12. meghanwaterlillies

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    Paul's gnosis warned but never described to in detail what. And of course the other side too. lol and no koranies. Not for it.
     
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