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Our president at his finest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The next time we have a Dem president back in office, watch their concern for ethics, morality, responsibility, accountability, etc. magically grow back....
....while Democrats' concern for the same wanes.
It's always been this way.
We could hope for otherwise, but should never expect it.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
We used to have progressive and conservative party. Now we have the progressive party and the regressive party. They're regressing so far they're going back to neanderthal behavior.
After Eisenhower the only Republican POTUS I liked was Gerald Ford although Bush I was not bad. Now we see what's left of the Republican party fighting a rearguard action against rampant bigotry and other signs of moral degeneration.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
....while Democrats' concern for the same wanes.
It's always been this way.
We could hope for otherwise, but should never expect it.
That of course ignores the difference as seen in President Obama's administration with the lack of crimes committed by him and those around him.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Photoshopping Greta's face and willfully lying about Trump's words is childish. Knock it off.

I'm too lazy to photoshop anything so that is a false accusation, furthermore I did not lie about Trumps words as I posted exact quotes- another false claim.
You owe me an apology
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
....while Democrats' concern for the same wanes.
It's always been this way.
We could hope for otherwise, but should never expect it.
I believe that to be true. Both parties behave this way, and each time it happens, regardless of party I have an issue. We should always point out the wrongs, regardless of party. We shouldn't defend either one whenever they do wrong.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
After Eisenhower the only Republican POTUS I liked was Gerald Ford although Bush I was not bad. Now we see what's left of the Republican party fighting a rearguard action against rampant bigotry and other signs of moral degeneration.
The problem of trying to be righteous and being on high horses is that they tend to fall down. Jesus called them whitewashed tombs if I'm not mistaken.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
We used to have progressive and conservative party. Now we have the progressive party and the regressive party. They're regressing so far they're going back to neanderthal behavior.
Hey, don't insult the Neanderthal. Neanderthals had gotten a bad rap, and were basically a more sturdy version of us. I'd sooner elect one of them as POTUS over Donald the Damaged.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That of course ignores the difference as seen in President Obama's administration with the lack of crimes committed by him and those around him.
Speaking of ignoring things....
The point here is that Democrats were largely silent on things
Obama did, but would've excoriated a Republican for.
- Continuing the wars despite his campaign promise to end them.
- Not closing Guantanamo
- Opposing gay marriage
- Increased persecution of whistleblowers
- The war on drugs, particularly against medical marijuana
- Deportations
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Speaking of ignoring things....
The point here is that Democrats were largely silent on things
Obama did, but would've excoriated a Republican for.
- Continuing the wars despite his campaign promise to end them.
- Not closing Guantanamo
- Opposing gay marriage
- Increased persecution of whistleblowers
- The war on drugs, particularly against medical marijuana
- Deportations
Obama tried to close Gitmo and was stopped. Obama was called "deporter in chief" by some.

But my point is that campaign promises are to be ignored. Moral failings, crimes, toddler behavior and the like are not.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
And having "aspergers" is not a "mental health issue" as the Trump cult is trying to make out. Or if you are saying it is, you are insulting some posters on RF by doing so.

To suggest having Asperger's invalidates a person's thoughts and statements is beyond the pale, especially considering that many with Asperger's are extremely intelligent. It just goes to show that the very desperate and despicable go for the low blows, even against children.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
And having "aspergers" is not a "mental health issue" as the Trump cult is trying to make out. Or if you are saying it is, you are insulting some posters on RF by doing so.
Aspergers isn't a thing any more. The correct term is "Autism Spectrum Disorder" and then a number indicating severity, 1-3. And it certainly isn't a "mental disorder" in the implied psychiatric fashion. The condition is considered primarily neurological, although it does express related psychological symptoms.

Short version; anyone refering to an ASD person with the terms "Asperger's" or "mentally ill" is tipping their hand that they don't know what they're talking about.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
To suggest having Asperger's invalidates a person's thoughts and statements is beyond the pale, especially considering that many with Asperger's are extremely intelligent. It just goes to show that the very desperate and despicable go for the low blows, even against children.
Gotta poison that well somehow. What, you expected rational, fact based discussion of her objectively factual points?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Obama tried to close Gitmo and was stopped. Obama was called "deporter in chief" by some.

But my point is that campaign promises are to be ignored. Moral failings, crimes, toddler behavior and the like are not.
Retreating on some campaign promises is a moral failing, eg, ending the wars.
But whether wrongful acts run counter to promises or not, being wrongful is
what matters. And Democrats were silent regarding his....& Bill Clinton's.
This is just as Republicans are largely silent on their Presidents'.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Did you get that poorly photoshopped picture off of facebook? There is something really sad and pitiful about adults smugly patting themselves on the back for smearing some child.

I said it before that Greta is being used as a political prop, I believe you share the same sentiment. It's nothing personal as she seems like a very sweet young lady that cares about something very passionately even though a bit naive. What I do find interesting is the Green capitalists who have been using her behind the scenes, I encourage you to read the full linked article.

"we find a Swedish public relations genius, Ingmar Rentzhog. The other side of the fairy tale is less pretty, but more interesting. According to my research, Swedish investigative journalist Andreas Henriksson is the first to have investigated this issue. His article was published on the blog of Rebecca Weidmo, on December 11 2018."

"Everything was carefully planned to transform the young Swede into an international heroine"


"Now this is where it gets complicated. Among the shareholders of the start-up, we find members of the two interconnected families: the Perssons, children of the billionaire Sven Olof Persson, who made their fortune in large part by selling cars (Bilbolaget Nord AB), and the Rentzhogs. The two families of investors, who met in the region of Jämtland, have no connections to environmentalism, they are specialists in finance."
"Saving the planet by continuing to pursue economic growth and demanding more globalisation"

source:
Green capitalism is using Greta Thunberg - frackfree_eu - Medium
 
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PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Retreating on some campaign promises is a moral failing, eg, ending the wars.
But whether wrongful acts run counter to promises or not, being wrongful is
what matters. And Democrats were silent regarding his....& Bill Clinton's.
This is just as Republicans are largely silent on their Presidents'.

Still, if you take away that whole healthcare thing and how it wasn't a perfect system... Obama could have been a top 5-10 on the long list of Presidents, if he didn't make it that high already. He made the country feel safe. He didn't air his personal dirty laundry often.
 

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
So, look folks, I'm a shady unrelatable businessman, you're going to put me to fill some office. I mean, is anyone qualified to know if I should be in it? nah. Do I represent even a tiny section of America, nah. But I mean, what metrics tell you it was a bad job, anyway? Look, small hands.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
....while Democrats' concern for the same wanes.
It's always been this way.
We could hope for otherwise, but should never expect it.
So this makes raising and lowering a sanctimonious facade when it's politically convenient an acceptable practice? We shouldn't abide double standards or hypocrisy from any politician regardless of their party.
 
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