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  1. TransmutingSoul

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    Each Manifestation of God has a 'Gate' who is the Elijah that always comes first.

    In this age it was the Bab (Gate) for Baha'u'llah. (Glory of the Lord). The Bab also had a Gate, his first Disciple Mullá Husayn.

    Báb - Wikipedia

    The Bab was the Gate that was to usher in the end of the age of prophecy, to which Muhammad was the seal of the prophets.

    Baha'ullah is the 'Father'. God is above all names and titles.

    Regards Tony
     
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  2. TransmutingSoul

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    John was the Gate the Elijah that always comes first.

    Regards Tony
     
  3. dybmh

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    A very gentle clarification. When i was speaking about my perception of knowledge, i was speaking about Da'at not Chokmah. A little lower in your reply, you have Wisdom connected to Chokmah. Maybe there was a mistype or something when you put together Knowledge and the word Chokmah?

    But if you use the Da'at for knowledge, the idea of open and closed pronounciation makes more sense. If you use Chokmah for knowledge, we are basically speaking different languages and that would explain a lot about why we perceive knowledge and understanding so differently.
    I propose those who did not understand, maybe didn't know him very well. Maybe they only knew of him. Or maybe what they knew was incomplete. The difference would be between being familiar with someone and really knowing them. Again i perceive knowledge as deep, intimate, and static.

    Heres the strong's index links for Chokmah, Binah, and Daath, ( Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge) in case it's helpful for people who are less familiar with these words.

    Strong's Hebrew: 2451. חָכְמָה (chokmah) -- wisdom
    Strong's Hebrew: 999. בִּינָה (binah) -- an understanding
    Strong's Hebrew: 1847. דָּ֫עַת (daath) -- knowledge
    I think the simplest answer is you are you and you are special. Different is not always deficient.
     
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    There is a difference; I do not like mediators.
     
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    I only seek truth and God is the only source that I trust.
     
  6. Fool

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    the bible says jacob saw god face to face


    1 Corinthians 13:12
    For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
     
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    Bindu (symbol) - Wikipedia


    Bindu: Pinnacle of the Three Streams of Yoga Meditation, Vedanta, and Tantra


    Edgar Cayce on the Book of Revelation
     
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    The question is valid.
    One possible answer is something the apostle Peter wrote:

    There are false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them...they will exploit you with counterfeit words, because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively, but their destructin is not sleeping. (2 Pet 2)
     
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    Because no one has direct access to the Father who sent Jesus. But the Father dwelled in the Son. We worship the Father who dwelled in Christ.
     
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    Because of John 14:6?
    Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
     
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    How, on earth, do you talk directly to Father???
     
  12. MJFlores

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    Because:

    Philippians 2:9-11 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

    9 Then God gave Christ
    the highest place
    and honored his name
    above all others.

    10 So at the name of Jesus
    everyone will bow down
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    those in heaven, on earth,
    and under the earth.

    11 And to the glory
    of God the Father
    everyone will openly agree,
    “Jesus Christ is Lord!”

    Not withstanding that the Lord Jesus Christ is a man and not God.
    It is the order of God that the Lord Jesus Christ should be worshiped.
     
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    I used a digital clock where sightings of the Number 7 (2.41, 3.31, 4.03, 5.20, 6.01, 7.00, 8.08, 9.07, 10.42, 11.23, etc) were messages from God - real ones!
     
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    that's a medium :)
     
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    He just would not come to me with concrete assistance to withstand persecution any more than I could muster for myself. I have therefore asked my guruji @Aupmanyav to guide me on the eternal question of whether I should take the step of starting to call myself an atheist because it is quite possible that I did not deserve His help or He had other ideas on how to manage the States that persecuted me. I am interested in not making excuses for Him because I sincerely approached Him for guidance and it proved futile as far as my personal life was concerned: I still have a life to lead. So this morning I inserted my signature as a Born Again Human Being, because I genuinely want to get on with my fellow human beings by putting this chapter of God-search behind me for what remains of my life. I want to be a good person.
     
  16. Aupmanyav

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    Yes, Bab was the gate, Bahaullah entered and ex-communicated all the Babis. ;)
    Right, like we see the eclipse through a special glass. Jacob did what Moses could not (he only saw the hind part). Did Jacob describe what he saw? Did God have a white flowing beard as generally believed?
    A lot of hocus-pocus there and elsewhere.
    Historically we know which are the most destructive sects.
    Who was the father?
    No, I have no need to bow down to anyone.

    What all silly things you people write!
     
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    the name of christ? is god's name at exodus 3:14 and 3:15

    it says everyone bows to the name, this wouldn't exclude jesus. you forget that jesus had to humble himself and become a servant to obtain. this is why god chooses pious men.


    you failed to post philippians 2:13
    For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    The lord is with you for a reason because he is within you. this is the reason that to serve all is to serve christ in all, or god in all.

    reverence, or respect, is not idolatry
     
  18. TransmutingSoul

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    Many did not heed the warnings given by the Bab, they had personal agendas. luckily the majority did not and accepted Baha'u'llah as the "One who God made Manifest".

    It is now all recorded history, what a time it was, the Father as promised by Christ, the 'Day of God' at the end of ages had come and the power was siezed from kings, rulers and priests. The old world order now crumbles, as a new world order rolls out in its stead.

    Hope you are well and happy, regards Tony
     
  19. MJFlores

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    You were asking why the Lord Jesus Christ should be worshiped, am I correct?

    I gave you the reason and based from the Bible Philippians 2:

    1. God gave the Lord Jesus a name which is above every name
    2. God's order / command that the Lord Jesus is to be worshiped

    Are these sufficient?
     
  20. Fool

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    the lord god gave 144,000 that name, to what created thing should a christian prostate itself.


    the children take the father's name because the Spirit of God is their Father and they are to call no other by flesh, because the flesh counts for not.


    Revelation 14:1
    And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.


    the children of god know their father.
     
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