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Ought we genetically modify ourselves?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Curious George, Nov 26, 2018.

  1. Curious George

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    In some cases, yes, abuse, strict regulation on aesthetic traits or qualities not directly related to dangerous medical conditions which gene therapy can aide with, to prevent the slow and generationally shifting sexual selection process from being sped up a thousand fold and possibly being unable to stop damages before they become widespread, and to prevent a tool of oppressing minorities without socially desirable characteristics through gene tampering.
     
  3. Curious George

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    Are there ways to limit such without limiting the science? Why the regulation on "aesthetic" traits? And what are "aesthetic" traits? Does this presuppose discrimination? Is bodyweight or body symmetry "aesthetic?"
     
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    For purely medical reasons, yes we should. I think the possibilities are greater than the risks. Instead of fleeing our planet, why not just adapt?
     
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  5. Curious George

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    What constitutes purely medical reasons?
     
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    Eliminating sensitivities, for instance to soy or other products. This kind of thing. (I'm not saying this is feasable now, but in future I believe it will be).
     
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    Increasing IQ, reducing obesity, Increasing body symmetry, Increasing muscle mass? All of these could have as much or more medical benefit than allowing a person to eat soy. So, i am curious if there is a bright line rule or even some metric by which we can gauge medical reasons. As of this point there are some instances where phenotype seems to offer no medical reasoning, but "medical reasons" could be quite broad.
     
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    I would be in favour of those things you mentioned. I would suggest creating a planner or committee of sciencemen, philosophers and psychologists to gauge these things. Medicine is already fraught with moral dilemmas and I don't think this would be as new as we think.
     
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    And people should accept the opinions of this committee without question? Should there be oversight? If so, what type? What about unequal access to this science as @ADigitalArtist mentioned?
     
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    What unequal access? This would be available on an NHS like system.

    And yes, we accept the opinions of the medical and psychological community every day. We don't even realise it. People pop pills, take meds, have risky surgeries and so forth all the time. I would order it thus:

    Government Ministry for Genetic Modification
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    Medical Planner/Committee
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    University &c. medics, doctormen &c.

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    Hospital Staff

    So it would go through at least four channels before being adopted.
     
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    I would imagine the militaries of the world would be very interested in something like this.
     
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    I could genetically modify my penis to be 12 inches long, so I wouldn't have to keep folding it in half.
     
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    Which is more exaggerating your penis length or your IQ?
     
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    If my penis was as big as my IQ, you'd be standing on it.
     
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    I can see several potential problems and also several reasons to do it.

    It can be cruel, negligent and has the potential to destroy society.

    It could also make people happier, tougher, more able to live in more places.

    I am in favor of the following improvements:
    1. Genetic improvements which remove our dependency upon vitamins, curing vitamin deficiencies.
    2. Genetic improvements which are trial based, individual and minimal, which do not impede a person's ability to integrate into society.
    3. Simulation of genetic improvements using computers.
    4. Genetic removal of serious deformative and terminal illness such as those which cause blindness, deafness, deformed limbs etc.

    I am not in favor of:
    1. Contagious viruses that spread improvements through populations
    2. Major improvements such as radically increased brain function or radically improved eyesight
    3. Improvements which have not been simulated by computer

    My thinking is that any improvements should wait until the genetic effects can be simulated in computers. Before human trials they should be reversible through retroviruses, and the treatment should be available before the improvements are created. This way there can be human trials without permanent damage. Computer simulation is possible and therefore should be a requirement.
     
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  18. Willamena

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    Genetic editing isn't inherently wrong, but as always the overwhelming criteria for allowing or hindering its progress will be how people feel about it. For some, it speaks directly to their security of self or self-image.

    As far as limitations go, one pronounced one reared its head recently: cost. Capitalism getting in the way of progress.
    The million-dollar drug
     
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    Weird, probably dangerous.

    IMO genetics affect human behavior. Genetics is very complex, we have no idea what we will ultimately be affecting. Of course this won't stop us, I suppose we can't resist playing God.
     
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