Original Sin?

[rosends]

Sure:
(Genesis 3:3) . . .God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’”
(Genesis 3:6) . . .So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward, she also gave some to her husband when he was with her, and he began eating it.

The Bible in referring to that act states:
(Romans 5:12) . . .through one man sin entered into the world

Thanks for asking

I don't see the word "sin" in the Genesis verses. Why not call it "crime"? The Hebrew text has a variety of words that are translated as "sin" and yet none appears in these verses. If their action was a sin, why wouldn't it be labeled as such?

 

[paarsurrey]

Two questions...

Does Judaism include the theology of Original Sin?

And,

Prior to Paul, Where is the concept of Original Sin discussed in the Bible?

Moses did not present any concept of Original Sin. It is, I understand, one of the the collective productions of the Anti-Christ/Dajjal i.e., Paul, his associates, the Christianity Church
and Missionaries/Priesthood of Christendom, to deviate from the reasonable teachings of innocent Jesus, please. Right, please?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

We have something like it.

Kindly quote from Moses in this connection, please.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

That's what you got? Okay.
At least you got something. That's important.
If we go through life, not getting anything, then I don't see how we could be considered living.


Sounds like it's a puppet you are describing, and everyone is pulling the strings.
By now, I would think it would be torn to bits, if that were the case. Not being translated into more languages, than it already is.
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Seems to me, it's speaking to the hears of billions, and millions are understanding the one pure language it speaks.
What could possibly account for that.

Yet, I understand, it does not contain the true teachings of Jesus and or Moses rather it propagates the teaching of the Anti-Christ* or Dajjal in the world, please. Right friend, please?

Regards
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[paarsurrey]

Yes. The Bible is the most read book.
Even if only a small portion is read. Even Atheists, agnostics, yes, skeptics read it to come on forums like these.

Quran is the most read and memorized book in the world, I figure. Right, please?
Regards
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The all-time most popular books in the world revealed

1. Most popular books of all time The Koran – three billion copies sold
2. The King James Bible – 2.5bn
3. Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-tung, Mao Zedong – 800m
4. Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes – 500m
5. Harry Potter series, JK Rowling – 450m
6. A Tale Of Two Cities, Charles Dickens – 200m
7. The Lord Of The Rings, JRR Tolkien – 150m
8. Le Petit Prince, Antoine de Saint-Exupéry – 140m
9. Alice In Wonderland, Lewis Carroll – 100m
10. Dream Of The Red Chamber, Cao Xueqin – 100m
11. And Then There Were None, Agatha Christie – 100m
12. The Hobbit, JRR Tolkein – 100m
13. She: A History Of Adventure, H.Rider Haggard – 83m
14. The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe, CS Lewis – 85m
15. The Da Vinci Code, Dan Brown – 80m
16. The Catcher In The Rye, JD Salinger – 65m
17. The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Conan Doyle – 60m
18. Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea, Jules Verne, 60m
19. Millennium Trilogy, Stieg Larsson – 50m
20. Watership Down, Richard Adams – 50m
21. Odyssey, Homer – 45m
22. The Very Hungry Caterpillar, Eric Carle – 30m
23. To Kill A Mockingbird, Harper Lee – 30m
24. Gone With The Wind, Margaret Mitchell – 30m
25. Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell – 25m
26. The Great Gatsby, F Scott Fitzgerald – 25m
27. The Adventures Of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain – 20m
28. Anderson’s Fairy Tales, Hans Christian Anderson – 20m
29. Pride And Prejudice, Jane Austen – 20m
30. Robinson Crusoe, Daniel Defoe – 9m

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[paarsurrey]

Yes, you said earlier (which is why I begain this digression), "Seems to me, it's speaking to the hears of billions, and millions are understanding the one pure language it speaks."

But in my view, if they're all understanding "the one pure language," they wouldn't have spent a couple of thousand years developing hundreds of sects and killing each other for being heretics.

Nor could possible, in their millions, fall so abysmally short of understanding Christ's message, and in their misunderstanding, sinning by hurting so many.

to further one's point, who has taken data from the hearts to make the claim as our friend @nPeace has claimed? It must be as I understand a sheer conjecture of our friend @nPeace , I understand.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Genesis 3:1-13

Please quote the verses.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Sure:
(Genesis 3:3) . . .God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’”
(Genesis 3:6) . . .So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward, she also gave some to her husband when he was with her, and he began eating it.

The Bible in referring to that act states:
(Romans 5:12) . . .through one man sin entered into the world

Thanks for asking

I understand, the writer of Romans is a sinner to make such a claim, please.
Jesus never made such a claim of original sin, I figure, please. Right friend, please?
Innocent Jesus himself said that he was Son of Adam/Man, did Jesus mean that he himself was a sinner, please? Right friend, please?

Regards

 

[McBell]

Quran is the most read and memorized book in the world, I figure. Right, please?
Regards
____________
The all-time most popular books in the world revealed

1. Most popular books of all time The Koran – three billion copies sold
2. The King James Bible – 2.5bn
3. Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-tung, Mao Zedong – 800m
4. Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes – 500m
5. Harry Potter series, JK Rowling – 450m
6. A Tale Of Two Cities, Charles Dickens – 200m
7. The Lord Of The Rings, JRR Tolkien – 150m
8. Le Petit Prince, Antoine de Saint-Exupéry – 140m
9. Alice In Wonderland, Lewis Carroll – 100m
10. Dream Of The Red Chamber, Cao Xueqin – 100m
11. And Then There Were None, Agatha Christie – 100m
12. The Hobbit, JRR Tolkein – 100m
13. She: A History Of Adventure, H.Rider Haggard – 83m
14. The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe, CS Lewis – 85m
15. The Da Vinci Code, Dan Brown – 80m
16. The Catcher In The Rye, JD Salinger – 65m
17. The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Conan Doyle – 60m
18. Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea, Jules Verne, 60m
19. Millennium Trilogy, Stieg Larsson – 50m
20. Watership Down, Richard Adams – 50m
21. Odyssey, Homer – 45m
22. The Very Hungry Caterpillar, Eric Carle – 30m
23. To Kill A Mockingbird, Harper Lee – 30m
24. Gone With The Wind, Margaret Mitchell – 30m
25. Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell – 25m
26. The Great Gatsby, F Scott Fitzgerald – 25m
27. The Adventures Of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain – 20m
28. Anderson’s Fairy Tales, Hans Christian Anderson – 20m
29. Pride And Prejudice, Jane Austen – 20m
30. Robinson Crusoe, Daniel Defoe – 9m

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I wonder how different your numbers would be if you did not limit the Bible to one version.
Did they make the same edit for the Koran?

 

[capumetu]

I don't see the word "sin" in the Genesis verses. Why not call it "crime"? The Hebrew text has a variety of words that are translated as "sin" and yet none appears in these verses. If their action was a sin, why wouldn't it be labeled as such?

Again: (Genesis 3:3) . . .God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’”
(Genesis 3:6) . . .So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward, she also gave some to her husband when he was with her, and he began eating it.

The Bible in referring to that act states:
(Romans 5:12) . . .through one man sin entered into the world

 

[capumetu]

Please quote the verses.

Regards

Sure:
(Genesis 3:1-13) . . .Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. 3 But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.” 6 Consequently, the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something desirable to the eyes, yes, the tree was pleasing to look at. So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward, she also gave some to her husband when he was with her, and he began eating it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were naked. So they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings for themselves. 8 Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God as he was walking in the garden about the breezy part of the day, and the man and his wife hid from the face of Jehovah God among the trees of the garden. 9 And Jehovah God kept calling to the man and saying to him: “Where are you?” 10 Finally he said: “I heard your voice in the garden, but I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid myself.” 11 At that he said: “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree from which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said: “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, so I ate.” 13 Jehovah God then said to the woman: “What is this you have done?” The woman replied: “The serpent deceived me, so I ate.”

 

[capumetu]

I understand, the writer of Romans is a sinner to make such a claim, please.
Jesus never made such a claim of original sin, I figure, please. Right friend, please?
Innocent Jesus himself said that he was Son of Adam/Man, did Jesus mean that he himself was a sinner, please? Right friend, please?

Regards

Jesus was the son of Jehovah and Mary. He died sinless. It is true that he was a descendant of Adam, through his mother Mary.

 

[rosends]

Again: (Genesis 3:3) . . .God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’”
(Genesis 3:6) . . .So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward, she also gave some to her husband when he was with her, and he began eating it.

The Bible in referring to that act states:
(Romans 5:12) . . .through one man sin entered into the world

Again -- there is no mention of "sin" in the Genesis verses. A quote from a separate book labels it sin.

 

[capumetu]

Again -- there is no mention of "sin" in the Genesis verses. A quote from a separate book labels it sin.

Yes sir you are correct, the Bible clarified it as being a sin, first one as a matter of fact. If you desire to call it a crime, so be it, as that is exactly what sin is, a violation of God's law.

 

[rosends]

Yes sir you are correct, the Bible clarified it as being a sin, first one as a matter of fact. If you desire to call it a crime, so be it, as that is exactly what sin is, a violation of God's law.

But sin is biblically labeled as sin. This act is conspicuously not. There are chapters and chapters of things that qualify as sin and yet there is no word here labeling this act as ANYTHING. Why would there be a decision later to give it a name? Was God incapable of doing so at the time?

 

[paarsurrey]

Sure:
(Genesis 3:1-13) . . .Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. 3 But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.” 6 Consequently, the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something desirable to the eyes, yes, the tree was pleasing to look at. So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward, she also gave some to her husband when he was with her, and he began eating it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were naked. So they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings for themselves. 8 Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God as he was walking in the garden about the breezy part of the day, and the man and his wife hid from the face of Jehovah God among the trees of the garden. 9 And Jehovah God kept calling to the man and saying to him: “Where are you?” 10 Finally he said: “I heard your voice in the garden, but I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid myself.” 11 At that he said: “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree from which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said: “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, so I ate.” 13 Jehovah God then said to the woman: “What is this you have done?” The woman replied: “The serpent deceived me, so I ate.”

There is no mention of sin in it, please, Right friend, please?
Who is the narrator of this narration, please, name him for us, please?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus was the son of Jehovah and Mary. He died sinless. It is true that he was a descendant of Adam, through his mother Mary.

Was Jehovah the husband of innocent Mary, please. Right, please?

Regards

 

[capumetu]

There is no mention of sin in it, please, Right friend, please?
Who is the narrator of this narration, please, name him for us, please?

Regards

Moses penned Genesis sir

 

[capumetu]

Was Jehovah the husband of innocent Mary, please. Right, please?

Regards

No sir, Joseph was the husband of Mary

 

[paarsurrey]

Moses penned Genesis sir

And what is one's source, please? Kindly quote from Moses where he claimed to author, write and pen "Genesis", please. Right friend, please?

Regards