One twin dies, one twin lives after being left in car at Ala. car dealership

[We Never Know]

How can anyone that put their kids in the car forget their kids are in the car?

These tragedies should make people more aware but it seems to not to be with this happening more and more.

One twin dies, one twin lives after being left in car at Ala. car dealership

 

[Revoltingest]

Forgetting things...even important things comes naturally to humans.
Unless it was callous disregard, no prosecution.

 

[We Never Know]

Forgetting things...even important things comes naturally to humans.
Unless it was callous disregard, no prosecution.

If they are aware to get their keys, phone, lunch, briefcase, etc... How can they forget their kids?

Let's don't charge them for leaving their kids in the car but hey let's charge them for leaving their pets in cars. That's how messed up the world is becoming.

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[Revoltingest]

If they are aware to get their keys, phone, lunch, briefcase, etc... How can they forget their kids?

It's in the nature of forgetting things that one remembers some, & forgets others.

Let's don't charge them for leaving their kids in the car but hey let's charge them for leaving their pets in cars. That's how messed up the world is becoming.

It's about intent.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

There are states with child endangerment laws regarding leaving kids in the car.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wklaw.com/charges-for-leaving-your-child-in-a-car/amp/
If the court determines the case meets these requirements I support prosecution.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If they are aware to get their keys, phone, lunch, briefcase, etc... How can they forget their kids?

Because even when humans aren't prone to forgetfulness, the species is overall rather forgetful.

It's about intent.

Not when it comes to child abuse.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Because even when humans aren't prone to forgetfulness, the species is overall rather forgetful.

Not when it comes to child abuse.

But I don't think that there is a case to make for "abuse" here. Tragic, forgetful accident, yes. I can't speak for everybody, but I can certainly recall times when I have made what I later knew were just plain stupid errors of omission, but weren't intentional. It's part of our human nature.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not when it comes to child abuse.

An accident is unintended, & that would be much less
likely to qualify as child abuse than intentional harm.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But I don't think that there is a case to make for "abuse" here. Tragic, forgetful accident, yes. I can't speak for everybody, but I can certainly recall times when I have made what I later knew were just plain stupid errors of omission, but weren't intentional. It's part of our human nature.

Indeed. However, at least in America, child abuse laws tend to not consider intention. Religion is about the only free pass it gets.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

An accident is unintended, & that would be much
likely to qualify as child abuse than intentional harm.

And yet we have a case here that says otherwise. The law didn't really consider intention.
*edited to correct Digital artists sources provide this example.

 

[Revoltingest]

And yet we have a case here that says otherwise. The law didn't really consider intention.

Oh, well....you & I both know that the law is a blunt instrument wielded by an idiot.

 

[We Never Know]

There are states with child endangerment laws regarding leaving kids in the car.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wklaw.com/charges-for-leaving-your-child-in-a-car/amp/
If the court determines the case meets these requirements I support prosecution.

I can't help but wonder, if they forget them in a small area such as the car, how much attention do they give them while at home? Out of sight out of mind?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh, well....you & I both know that the law is a blunt instrument wielded by an idiot.

True. But it is what it is, and when it comes to child abuse the law doesn't have much patients or concern for intent.

 

[Revoltingest]

True. But it is what it is, and when it comes to child abuse the law doesn't have much patients patience or concern for intent.

Of course, this is highly variable.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I can't help but wonder, if they forget them in a small area such as the car, how much attention do they give them while at home? Out of sight out of mind?

I see no reason to assume it's more than typical human behavior. Overall, as a species, it's impressive we've survived for so long. We're forgetful, clutzy, and highly error prone. And then some of us do it as a higher rate than normal. That doesn't excuse it, but at the same time I suspect most of us wouldn't have lived our teens if our head wasn't attached, because we'd have lost it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Of course, this is highly variable.

The law turns people into obligated mandated snitches to report even rumors.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I finally vote "yes," but for a rather odd reason -- because filing criminal charges means that these things get in front of the public, get debated in courts, get examined in broad daylight. And maybe, just maybe, each and every such examination will serve as a reminder to others. And sometimes, really, all we need is an ingrained reminder not to forget important stuff.

 

[Revoltingest]

I finally vote "yes," but for a rather odd reason -- because filing criminal charges means that these things get in front of the public, get debated in courts, get examined in broad daylight. And maybe, just maybe, each and every such examination will serve as a reminder to others. And sometimes, really, all we need is an ingrained reminder not to forget important stuff.

I find it immoral to put the parents thru the horror of
prosecution for the purpose of highlighting the danger.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I find it immoral to put the parents thru the horror of
prosecution for the purpose of highlighting the danger.

Okay, I see that...and yes, it's a really valid concern. Maybe I haven't through that through enough...


Gotta add, yes, I've thought that myself in the past. I remember a grief-stricken father in the same situation a number of years ago, and I myself was hurting for him having to answer in court, through his grief.

Darn it, sometimes this stuff gets really, really hard....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I finally vote "yes," but for a rather odd reason -- because filing criminal charges means that these things get in front of the public, get debated in courts, get examined in broad daylight. And maybe, just maybe, each and every such examination will serve as a reminder to others. And sometimes, really, all we need is an ingrained reminder not to forget important stuff.

Nah. It would be highly effective for encouraging discussion, but equally immoral for turning parents into less roles in a real life court drama involving dogs and hefty penalties. I wish it on no one who makes an honest mistake.