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Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by OtherSheep, Jul 16, 2018.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    Being as Yeshua taught the Jews to "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17), and he healed the Jews, I dare say your version doesn't match reality. Try another version of that quote, whereas the people of Israel would include all of the sons of Jacob.

    New Living Translation (Mt 15:24)
    Then Jesus said to the woman, "I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel."

    Matthew 23:37 is spoke against the "Pharisees" and the "scribes" (Matthew 23:25), and your teacher and leader is a Pharisee of Pharisees, and a scribe.

    As for Judah and Ephraim/Israel being reunited, that hasn't happened, and Judah and Ephraim will be under judgment (Hosea 5:10-11)until they "acknowledge their guilt" (Hosea 5:15), and that won't happen until after 2 days/2000 years (Hosea 6:2).
     
  2. OtherSheep

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    Paul had a relative named Herodion... related to Herod the Edomite, perhaps?

    John 8:31-33,37 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on Him, 'If ye continue in My word, [then] are ye My disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' They answered Him, 'We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man...' 'I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill Me, because My word hath no place in you.'

    Edomites have never been in captivity, and they're not Edomites anymore.

    "Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews."--Josephus, Antiquities, B.13, CH.9.

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    the people of Israel would include all of the sons of Jacob.
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    That hasn't been true since the Divided Kingdom:

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    "And it came to pass at that time, when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; now Ahijah had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field. And Ahijah, laid hold of the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces." (i Kings xi. 29, 30).

    These twelve pieces represent, not twelve Tribes of Israel, for there were thirteen Tribes, but the twelve original Houses, or families of the sons of Jacob.

    "And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the Kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee: (but he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake..." (i Kings xi. 31, 32).

    "The meaning is this. Ahijah gives to Jeroboam ten Houses, not ten Tribes. He afterwards takes back one House, and says that by this process Jeroboam will be in possession of ten Tribes. The two Houses which the prophet originally retained were Judah and Benjamin. Hence the Houses originally given to Jeroboam were (1) Reuben, (2) Gad, (3) Joseph, (4) Issachar, (5) Zebulun, (6) Asher, (7) Dan, (8) Naphtali, (9) Simeon, (10) Levi. There were here eleven tribes; for Joseph comprised two tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh. Out of these the prophet takes away the one tribe referred to, and restores it to David's dynasty. This tribe was Levi. Thus, there still remained with Jeroboam ten tribes. That Levi, and not Benjamin, was the tribe thus restored is clear. Only with reference to that priestly community could Ahijah have spoken as he did of "a lamp always before Jehovah in Jerusalem" (v. 36)—obviously alluding to Temple services in connection with the worship of Jehovah.

    Moreover, as we shall presently see, there is express evidence of the actual rendition of Levi by Jeroboam, and none of the rendition, or even of the original giving, of Benjamin. From the foregoing passages, and from others which follow them, it is evident that the thirteen Hebrew tribes were to be divided into two distinct nations, namely, (1) Israel, or Isaac, as it was also sometimes called (Amos vii. 9, 16), and (2) Judah; and we are also expressly told that the kingdom of the Hebrew Race was to be taken from Judah and given to Israel (i Kings xi. 31-38)."
    --Hannay, European and Other Race Origins.
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  3. 2ndpillar

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    You are talking against yourself. You quote John 8:31-, and say Yeshua taught the kingdom to the "Jews", and "if you continue in my word" all will be fine and well. You quote 1 Kings 11:31-38, which states that if you observe my statutes and commandments, that "I will be with you", and all will be fine and well. Unfortunately, neither Judah or the house of Israel observed my statute or commandments, and have been under judgment ever since (Hosea 5). The Assyrians did in the house of Israel, and scattered them among the nations (Ezekiel 36:18-19), and the Babylonians scattered most of Judah. Judah and Jerusalem has been restored in 1967 per Joel 3:1, but the house of Israel, the 10 tribes remains scattered among the nations. They won't be reunited until the "whole house of Israel" is raised from the dead (Ezekiel 37:11) at which time they will be reunited under the name of Israel (Ezekiel 37:15-28), and will keep all my statutes (Ezekiel 37:24). The whole house of Israel refers all 12 tribes.

    As for Paul being called a Pharisee, he called himself a Pharisee of Pharisees. The reason he was killed by the emperor Nero, was because Paul depended on the reputation of the Herod family, and when the Herod family fell out of favor, so went Paul. Paul's relationship with the Herod family became a burden. Nero killed Herod's representative for trying to undercut him, and Paul soon followed.
     
  4. The Anointed

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    I see that you accept the fact, that to the Lord a thousand years are as one day, and that the seventh day is 'THE DAY OF THE LORD,' the Great Sabbath of one thousand years, which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath.

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    From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; “And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ‘On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it.”

    In Colossians 2: 16-17; Paul has this to say; “Let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holidays or the New Moon festival or the Sabbath. All these are but a shadow of things to come in the future, etc.”

    Adam died in the first day at the age of 930, we are now at the closing of the sixth day, the day before the Great Sabbath that is the reality of the weekly Sabbath, ‘The Day of the Lord’ the seventh period of one thousand years in which the lord shall rule with justice, the Great Sabbath of one thousand years.

    Acts 17: 30-31; God has overlooked the times when people did not know him, but now he commands all of them everywhere to turn away from their evil ways. For He has fixed a day [The Great Sabbath] in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof to everyone by raising that MAN [Jesus] from death.

    According to Jewish time, the first destruction of the Temple of Solomon, was 3338 AM, which is 3338 years from Adam. Our time for that destruction of the temple is 587 BC. So adding 587 to 3338, we see that from Adam the father of Seth, to 1 BC=1AD there is 3925 years, add to that the current date, 2018, (3,925+2018=5,943). [Cain and Abel belonged to an age of man prior to this age which is descended from Seth.]

    According to these dates, which are very ambiguous, we are now living in the 5,943 rd year from Adam the father of Seth, which supposedly leaves us another 58 years before the close of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th, which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of the Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which Sabbath Day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen, and we are told in scripture, “But for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive that period of tribulation.”

    Acts 17: 30-31; God has overlooked the times when people did not know him, but now he commands all of them everywhere to turn away from their evil ways. For He has fixed a day [The Great Sabbath] in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof to everyone by raising that MAN [Jesus] from death.
     
  5. OtherSheep

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    And now Jesus gives the Kingdom to 10-tribed Israel, because of all this:

    Matthew 21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a Nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

    Matthew 27:20 "But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus."
    Matthew 27:25 "Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children."

    "in those days and at that time, when I shall have turned the captivity of Juda and Jerusalem, I will also gather all the Gentiles ... let all the nations go up to the valley of Josaphat"

    Ain't happened for 70 years... are you sure those guys are Judah? If they come from the mixture of Judah-Edom... God won't accept them, because He hates Esau.
     
  6. 2ndpillar

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    The last compilation of the date I read is 5993 , which supposedly gives a remaining week of years. As the day of man was set at 120 years, that also meaning 120 Jubilee years, which would be 6000 year and the Law concerning Jubilee years is that Israel has their land returned. The Jews were allowed back into Judea in 1918 by means of the Balfour Declaration. They obtained all of Jerusalem in 1967. 50 years later, and we are waiting for the ball to drop, with Jerusalem being "captured" and then the LORD going to war (Zechariah 14:1-3). I am thinking you lost a Jubilee year, while forgetting Judah and Jerusalem as well (Joel 3:1).
     
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    And what nation is "bringing forth the fruits thereof"? Hosea 3 gives the answer. Hosea was told to go out and buy an "adulteress" for "many days", for the equivalence of 30 pieces of silver, until the "sons of Israel/Jacob" "return and seek the LORD their God and David their king"... "in the last days". Apparently, the "adulteress" was somewhat short on "the fruits thereof", unless those fruit were rotten in nature, as were the fruits of the house of Israel, and Judah. If the tree doesn't bring forth good fruit, it will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 3:10).
     
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    The 10-tribed Nation of Israel is what Jesus says.

    Some people believe what Jesus says. Guess it's just me.
     
  9. The Anointed

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    Are you suggesting that the life of man ceases at the close of the 6th day?

    According to the pseudepigrapha, Eve was told by her Lord Adam who died at the close of the first day, that she would follow him in 6 days, which would be at the close of the Great Sabbath, when heavenly fire will destroy all physical life forms on this planet, fulfilling the prophecy of Zephaniah.

    Zephaniah 1: 2-3; The Lord said; "I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy all mankind and no survivors will be left. I the Lord have spoken."

    Then in verse 18: On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their silver or gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end---a sudden end---to everyone who lives on earth.

    Also, from the Pseudepigrapha we read that the body of Adam was perfectly preserved by Michael, and placed in a stone sarcophagus which was hidden in the mountain, with the four sacred tokens, in order that no one could do anything to that perfectly preserved body until his rib, which is the great pregnant androgynous body of Eve/mankind, has returned to him.

    In the book, 'The Conflicts of Adam,' It is written that Noah took the body of Adam into the ark followed by his three sons who carried the four sacred tokens. After the flood it was replaced in the mountain where the door opens to receive the body of Adam.

    If the ages of mankind have been reduced to seven thousand year cycles, it would be useless to clone a living cell from a seventy year old human, but to clone a living cell from a seven thousand year old body? ? ?

    It is in that thousand years of peace that all our resources will be used to prepare for the ultimate destruction of all physical life forms that remain on this planet. Knowing that which is to occur after the one thousand year Sabbath, when heavenly fire incinerates the surface of the earth, with the great wealth that will be paid in tribute by the nations of the world during that thousand year rule of our king and high priest, genetic banks of all physical life forms will be created, (The Ark) and sent to a place of safety in order that when the incinerated earth is once again able to sustain physical life forms, Plants will be planted, animals will be created anew, and when the system for the sustainability of mankind has been put in place, the Lord, our brother, king, and high priest will say, "And now, let us make man in our image and likeness." And a new and more humble Race of men will people this earth.

    "Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares, by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond, and he attains rest under the influence of SATURN." (Basra Encyclopedia)- De Boer, Philosophy in Islam, p 88.

    The water ocean on Enceladus, a moon that orbits the planet Saturn, is about 6 miles (10 kilometers) deep and lies beneath a shell of ice 19 to 25 miles (30 to 40 km) thick, researchers said. Further, it's in direct contact with a rocky seafloor, theoretically making possible all kinds of complex chemical reactions — such as, perhaps, the kind that led to the rise of life on Earth.

    "The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for some time totally concentered in himself: . . . afterwards we see a new world spring from him, perfect in all its parts; animals are produced anew; an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth." " Seneca, Epist, 9, and Qucest. Nat. L. 3, c, ult.
     
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    I think your clock is striking 13. The "lost sheep of the house of Israel" are still lost (Ezekiel 36:19) & (Matthew 10:6).
     
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    The "great day of the LORD" (Zephaniah 1:14) is just behind the door (Matthew 24:33), when the wicked will be "cast into the furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:42). That starts with the end of the 6th millennium.
     
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    Revelation 20: Christ and his anointed, are to rule the great Sabbath of one thousand years, which is the seventh day of one thousand years, the Great Sabbath, which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath, which is the seventh day of 24 hours.

    Verse 7; After the thousand year Sabbath is over, it is then and only then that the heavenly fire incinerates all physical life forms on this earth, and the disembodied spirits of the cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practice magic, those who worship idols and all liars, who had died the first death, are then cast into the eternal fire where they suffer the second death, when those spirits/minds are divided from God's immortal soul, which is the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universe that the eternal, who has neither beginning or end, has become..
     
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    Your unknown quoted verse is with reference to the end of the millennium. The first resurrection happens at the beginning of the millennium. The 7th day represents the 7th millennium, not the 7th day of one thousand years, nor of 24 hours.
     
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    The 10-tribes are only lost because people don't literally believe Jesus.
    He came only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, Matthew 15.
    Only His sheep hear only His voice, John 10.
     
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    Apparently you were asleep when Yeshua was preaching the kingdom of heaven to the Jews/Judah. He sent his disciples to preach the kingdom of heaven to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And yes, they remain lost to this day, such as "scattered among the nations". (Ezekiel 36:19) Apparently the "worthless shepherd", Peter (Zechariah 11:14), broke the brotherhood between Judah and Israel by way of his shameful vision (Zechariah 13:4).
     
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    2ndpillar wrote…….. Your unknown quoted verse is with reference to the end of the millennium. The first resurrection happens at the beginning of the millennium. The 7th day represents the 7th millennium, not the 7th day of one thousand years, nor of 24 hours.

    The Anointed…….. These are your words from a recent post in this thread; “As for Judah and Ephraim/Israel being reunited, that hasn't happened, and Judah and Ephraim will be under judgment (Hosea 5:10-11)until they "acknowledge their guilt" (Hosea 5:15), and that won't happen until after 2 days/2000 years (Hosea 6:2).” Thereby revealing that you believe, that to the Lord, a thousand years are as one day, or in your example two days is to the Lord as two thousand years.

    I wrote in my previous to which you have responded…..Revelation 20: Christ and his anointed, are to rule the great Sabbath of one thousand years, which is the seventh day of one thousand years, the Great Sabbath, which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath, which is the seventh day of 24 hours.

    Did you notice that? The weekly Sabbath of 24 hours is but a shadow of the future reality, which is ‘The Lord’s Day,’ the Thousand Year rule of Christ.

    You responded by saying; “The 7th day represents the 7th millennium, NOT the 7th day of one “thousand years, nor of 24 hours.

    You do realise of course that according to the dictionary, a Millennium pertains to ‘A Thousand,’ especially, a span of one thousand years.

    The 7th Millennium, is the 7th period of one thousand years, the 7th day from which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

    We are now coming to the close of the 6th day, when the required number of Jews and Gentiles will be chosen, who will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule as kings with Jesus, for the millennium of ‘ONE THOUSAND YEARS,’ after which, heavenly fire will incinerate all physical life forms on this planet.

    2ndpillar wrote…….. Your unknown quoted verse is with reference to the end of the millennium

    The Anointed……. CORRECT! After the thousand year Sabbath [THE 7th MILLENNIUM] is over, it is then and only then that the heavenly fire incinerates all physical life forms on this earth, and the disembodied spirits of the cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practice magic, those who worship idols and all liars, who had died the first death, are then cast into the eternal fire where they suffer the second death, when those spirits/minds are divided from God's immortal soul, which is the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universe that the eternal, who has neither beginning or end, has become.
     
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    As for the end of the millennium, "Satan will be released from prison" to "gather" "the nations" "for war", "and surrounded the camp of the saints" "and fire came down from heaven and devoured them". The "saints" are not touched by that fire. (Revelation 20:7-9). Your confusing the beginning of the millennium with the end. At the beginning, Judah is judged "justly" first (Jeremiah 3:11), and Jerusalem is "captured" (Zechariah 14:1-3), and then "I will destroy completely all the nations were I have scattered you". It is at the beginning of the millennium that "a third of mankind is killed" by "fire", "smoke", and "brimstone" "and the rest of mankind" "did not repent" (Revelation 9:18-21). The nations will then keep the feast of Booths at Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:10) or suffer the consequences.
     
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    Yeshua didn't speak literally. He spoke in parables so that the wicked could not understand (Matthew 13:13).
     
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    :cool: I wasn't, but they still are.
     
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    In context, Jesus was quoting about Judaeans, a verse written for Jerusalem:

    Isaiah 6:9 "Ye shall hear indeed, but ye shall not understand; and ye shall see indeed, but ye shall not perceive. 10 For the heart of this people has become gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
    11 And I said, How long, O Lord? And He said, "Until cities be deserted by reason of their not being inhabited, and the houses by reason of there being no men, and the land shall be left desolate. 12 And after this God shall remove the men far off, and they that are left upon the land shall be multiplied. 13 And yet there shall be a tenth upon it, and again it shall be for a spoil, as a turpentine tree, and as an acorn when it falls out of its husk."

    To His Disciples, Jesus says [in context]:
    13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
    {By living away from the throne of Pharisees.}
     
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