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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sunstone, Sep 12, 2020.

  1. chinu

    chinu Veteran Member

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    No. this verse doesn't speak of forgiveness without judgement and punishment for evil deeds. It says that.. whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    Of course, the return of good is good, and evil is evil. But, I think here you need to understand the outcome of both good and evil deeds. Outcome of evil deeds is like a prison made of steel, and outcome of good deeds is like a prison made of gold. But, in both the cases prison is prison (Worldly- Attachments). Prison can NEVER be an eternal life.

    What is prison ? Prison is "World" (Including both happiness and sufferings) Eternal life is.. merge back in God/Heaven.

    Hence, this verse does NOT provide solution to sufferings of this world. Rather just provide solution to perish/prison. And that solution is eternal life.

    Punishment for evil still stand where it is.
     
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  2. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    No, I will not live for 100 or 200 years. I know that I am not going to get the answer to my last unanswered question. But it is OK. I will go with many unfulfilled desires, I never visited Yosemite National Park in US, the only difference is that I do not cling to them knowing that those were / are not possible. That is known as entitlement, whereas the unenlightened are bothered by such desires.
    Yeah, many people are satisfied with "Goddidit" answer. Good, you have your views about science. Don't teach your children your kind of views. Do not make them unfit for the future world.
    Did not I give you the link for the Wiki article? Here is it: Zero-energy universe - Wikipedia
    No, nothing theistic or Abrahamic works for Aupmanyav, Chinu knows it.
    Modi is a wise person (and he himself is from a lower caste). He is not from a brahmin or a kshatriya (warriors) caste. He used to sell tea to passengers in the rail trains which passed through the station in his city (most probably four in a day, 2 up and two down). The organization which molded him from childhood is against any division by caste.

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    Tea stall of which Mr. Modi's father was concessionair at Vadnagar railway station.
    (It is on railway land and his father must have been paying for its lease)
    Tea stall of Narendra Modi's father - Google Search
    Will depend on the sect. I am an independent. In my view, untruth has absolutely no place at all.
    Perhaps you know, Chinu, in 'Advaita' view, there is no separation and no merging back. We all (humans, animals, vegetation and inanimate substances, without any exception, that is the meaning of 'advaita' - non-duality) were the stuff of universe for all 13.78 billion years, we are the stuff of the universe today and we will be the stuff of universe for all times to come.
     
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    No I'm just guessing, but maybe if I am wrong someone will be able to tell me.
     
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    Nevertheless the teaching of Christianity is that we can be forgiven through faith in Jesus and the Bible tells us that in many places, both in the Old and New Testament.
    Acts 10:43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
    This is not through good works.
    God can forgive us our sins surely.
    Is God governed by a law, the law of Karma?
     
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    From what I see of science it shows us more of the wonders of what God has created and is showing us that what the Bible teaches about creation is true.

    We are the stuff of the universe physically at least. In Christianity there is a line between what is created and the creator,,,,,,,,,,,what is given life and the life giver.
    If science proposes that negative and positive energy balance and no doubt could cancel each other out maybe it is just showing how God could have created the universe from nothing.
     
  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Advaita does not subscribe to lines (or you need to show evidence for it).
     
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    God has told us that He and His creation are not the same and that He has created the universe. There is certainly plenty of evidence that the Bible is true and that God has shown us in it, things that would happen and which did happen.
     
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    Friend, both Good & Evil works/deeds are barrier to eternal life. Both creates ties. Good works are NOT required to attain eternity, Its a wrong perception. But, good works are recommended so that one could concentrate on devotion without any interruption, whereas the result of evil deeds cause sufferings which further cause interruptions to devotion.

    I don't think there's any such provision. The only provision I am aware of is that divine people like Jesus, Buddha etc are capable of doing so, BUT, very strictly in that case they have to take the burden of sins on themselves.

    No.
     
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    If we are identical......God is always talking to His Echo

    that would be soooooooooo boring

    so we are separate
    and we are less
    so our responses to reality are unique

    and THAT makes us entertaining
     
  10. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    The Kesamutti Sutta states (Pali expression in parentheses): Kesamutti Sutta - Wikipedia
    • Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing (anussava),
    • nor upon tradition (paramparā),
    • nor upon rumor (itikirā),
    • nor upon what is in a scripture (piṭaka-sampadāna)
    • nor upon surmise (takka-hetu),
    • nor upon an axiom (naya-hetu),
    • nor upon specious reasoning (ākāra-parivitakka),
    • nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā),
    • nor upon another's seeming ability (bhabba-rūpatāya),
    • nor upon the consideration, The monk is our teacher (samaṇo no garū)
    Kesamutti: False beliefs hold one by his/her hair (Kesa - hair, Mutti - release). If someone wantsw release, he /she should pay attention to what Buddha said.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Buddha will tell you the way how the effects of evil deeds can be softened. Otherwise, you sow, you reap.
     
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    That's why he is omniscient.
    Timeless need NOT to kill time.
    We kill time. Our entertainment always fear instability.
     
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    Bodh bhikshus go for bikshas. This lessens ego. lessens ego = lessen evil deeds. Friend, am aware of that.

    But, this is NOT = NOT paying back.

    Rather, this is like.. voluntarily paying back BEFORE one is forced to pay back, Yes this can be also called as softened.
     
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    I used to read Ramakrishna (Kathamrita) and it says we can achieve nothing without grace.
     
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    Joe W Always a godfather, never a god.

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    He hasn't seen me bowl. :)
     
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    your counterpoints don't seem to be

    counterpoints
     
  17. chinu

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    Perhaps.
     
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    Does this mean that NO reply is welcomed on your posts ?
     
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    well no

    your line to line response didn't match
    line to line

    as if we are having two conversations at once
     
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    That's okay. It usually happens many times with many people.

    But, am sad with your previous response, thank you. :)
     
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