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Featured One atheist’s idea on how to prevent evil

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Trailblazer, Jul 26, 2019.

  1. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Well-Known Member

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    I have an atheist poster on my forum who says it is god’s fault there is evil because god, if he exists, makes evil choices available to humans.

    Atheist: Any being who would make evil choices available would be an evil being. Therefore, if god exists, god is to blame for evil, not humans.

    He says that god could arrange it so only good choices are available for people to make and that would prevent evil.

    So I asked him to explain precisely how God could make only good choices available to humans and I asked him to explain HOW this would play out in the real world we live in. Below is his answer:

    Atheist: Try having a real omnipotent god who could see to that.

    As you can see he could not answer HOW a real omnipotent God could make only good choices available to humans.
    I have asked him three or four times and still no answer.

    How could an omnipotent God make only good choices available to humans? Any ideas?
     
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    Simple. It a divine It did exist, and It wanted humanity to be good, then It would have made us all good people.
    - Get angry? Nah.
    - Use a knife or gun to eliminate an opponent? Are you crazy? Why would I want to hurt someone?
    - I can’t flirt with him. He’s stunningly handsome, but he’s married. Pass.
    - Drugs? No thanks.

    QED.
     
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  3. LightofTruth

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    Disobedience is a bad choice. Obedience to God is therefore a good choice.
     
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    Removing the possibility of being able to do or desire to do bad ones.
     
  5. Trailblazer

    Trailblazer Well-Known Member

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    Do you mean God would have made us all good with no ability to do anything bad?
    In that case we would just be robots with no free will to choose.
     
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    What if god is evil?
     
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  7. Trailblazer

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    But how could make everyone obedient without overriding their free will?
     
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    Not really. Unless you feel like a robot because you've probably never felt the urge to actually kill someone.
     
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    That would require taking away our free will to choose.
     
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    Why do you think that just because god, being omnipotent and all, is capable of making only good choices available, your atheist, or anyone else, would necessarily know how he'd do it?

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    So do you think that God should have made us all good with no propensity to be bad?
     
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    The wages of sin is death. Therefore, to remove death you have to remove sin, Sin is the transgression of the law of God. Sin begins when a person desires what is unlawful.
     
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    What qualifies as evil?
    If christians, atheists, muslims, i.e. believers and non-belivers do evil, is that evidence anyone can be evil regardless of their beliefs or lack of belief?
     
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    Do you feel like you have no free will when you don't have the urge or thought to do evil? Our actions in relation to morality is far more complex than a simply either-or. We have an entire rainbow and beyond of interactions to choose from.
    But, that is, assuming free will exists. Our will is constrained to the point it can't be said to be free. It needs another word.
     
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    If he cannot tell me how God could do it then he does not have an argument.
    He can't just say god can do it because god is omnipotent. That is dumb.
     
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    By evil, I think he means acts that hurt other people, like murder and rape.
    Yes, anyone can be evil regardless of their beliefs or lack thereof.
     
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    Death isn't really related to this. The goal isn't getting rid of death, it's getting rid of our ability and desire to do evil. It wouldn't really be much if god made us all highly empathetic towards each other. Serial Killers probably wouldn't happen again if that were to happen. War would be over.
     
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    Free will is already illusory with an omnipotent, omnipresent god. Because you cannot choose against the absolute knowledge of your path your creator (intentionally or unintentionally) set you upon. What you were going to 'choose' was already determined long before you existed. You are simply going through the motions pre-ordained.
     
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    He uses his "god powers" (such as those used during Creation) on our brains, and develops our sense of empathy until all there is is love.
     
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    It would take care of the problem of evil.
     
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