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Featured Omnipotence Paradox and God's Limitations

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. ChristineM

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    What makes you believe that a being who (on your opinion) has no substantial (literally insubstantial) yet has infinate power (meaning you cannot exist) actually exists outside your own mind?


    The bible is a bronze age book, not a physics book. It is ok for reference in matters of faith, not good in matters of fact, reality, cosmology etc


    Bad example...Wind is variation in air pressure, observable and measurable

    Measuring the power of a myth is more difficult however science has calculated that the amount of energy (sum of all positive energy minus the sum of all negative energy) amounts to zero.

    Actually you dont see past reality, you see with your imagination

    Misnomer, the heart is a muscle, nothing more. It cannot think

    Nope, the reason for the gap is some believe objectivity and some believe subjectivity is the key to understanding. It does of course depend on what one wants to understand. Reality that is happening right now and has happened from the beginning or the imagination of bronze age goat herders. (Please dont misrepresent that last phrase, everyone of some substance owned goats)...
     
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  2. ChristineM

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    Prove its dumb! It is factual and valid for this universe

    What is dumb is calling Einstein dumb because you cant figure out a way to override the mass/energy equivalence equation.

    Oh, and it wasn't a question (note the lack of question mark). It was a statement of fact
     
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  3. ChristineM

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    About 100 billion in the observable galaxy

    Yes. Certainly the observable universe has been measured. Approximately 93 billion light years across.

    The fish exists, the ocean exists, both are real, can be observed, measured, etc. To date no god has been shown to exist. That is why some people have faith.

    Anyone can believe whatever they want, that is faith. But one doesn't need faith to believe in reality
     
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  4. Timothy Spurlin

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    Do you understand objective evidence?
    Objective evidence is from outside of the mind.
    Subjective evidence is from the mind.
     
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    If you know it's a human construct, why do you worship it?
     
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    I do not worship.
     
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    If you can put it up on weighing scales and measure it's body, you can safety say it isn't God. You want to measure humans and animals, created things; not God, good for you but don't go around pretending you have any actual points here, when it's rather the complete opposite. In fact, it's so dumb that it doesn't even need a philosophical refutation because it's so grade #0 logic.

    No, it was just a dumb, a really really dumb statement.
     
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    Don't pretend you have objective evidence that your god is real.
    All you have is subjective evidence from your mind.
    Every theist I have ask for objective evidence of a god, have failed to provide it.
     
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    Here comes the irrelevant comments guy with his three part dancing act.

    The least relevant thing you could do, is what you've done, which is dodge the subject entirely.
     
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    So you think reality is an illusion?
     
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    You are the one dodging the subject.

    Xenoview's razor
    Objective claims requires objective evidence
     
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    So you cant prove its dumb so instead waffle about weighing scales... Sheesh . Maybe learning a little about measurement techniques before jumping on to a discussion on measuring something would help you hear

    Ahh philosophical? So where is the reality in an imagined, bronze age myth?
     
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    I understand that when people choose a "side" in the issue of God's existence, their objectivity vanishes. Each will then only consider "evidence" that supports their own "side".

    You do understand how a biased mind thinks? Once someone is convinced about the validity of their stance, there is not much that will shift them unless, they are convinced otherwise by something undeniable.

    The old saying is...."a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still". It still applies.....
     
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  14. Timothy Spurlin

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    Have you looked into a mirror lately?
    Your mind is stuck on bias.

    If you don't have any objective evidence that your god is real, then admit it.
    Otherwise present some evidence that comes from outside of your mind.
     
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    Nothing comes from nothing, so logically, something created matter. Then you have the organization of that matter which itself speaks volumes about the organisational ability of what created it. Where is it written in the annals of science that humans understand the origins of anything....atoms, molecules, the universe or life itself in its myriad forms? If there are "natural laws" at work, who made those laws? Can laws, organization and information contained in codes that shape every living organism, just come out of nowhere? Is it all just an amazing fluke? This remains a mystery.....

    Out of that 'mystery' comes a million different opinions about how it all came about....and all are free to come to their own conclusions. You have and so have I.

    Oh please...every time I hear that description "Bronze Age" applied to the Bible, I see someone trying to discredit a work that has transcended every age and is still as valid in its message as it was when it was written. It is a book about human nature, which never changes and man's relationship with God, which is in a constant state of flux, depending on the trends of the time. Humans are incredibly predictable.....the Bible speaks about how many unbelievers there would be in this time period. The law of "Cause and Effect" is at work. The more humans imagine the level of their own intelligence to be...the less they need God.

    The Bible (though not religion) stands up to scrutiny in every way....why do you think it doesn't?
    It does not disagree with what science can prove.....it disagrees with much of what science "assumes".

    Science cannot disprove the Bible, or God's existence, but it can have a difference of opinion. We choose our own opinion for our own reasons.

    I believe that I mentioned that.

    The Universe, our solar system, our unique planet, so different to all the others as the only one that supports life, is not a figment of my imagination. With that reality in mind, logic tells me that the incredible design in living things and in the interaction of so many complex, though compatible systems all working in harmony in a perfectly functioning ecology, tells me that a series of millions of fortunate accidents is not responsible for everything I see. You are free to come to your own conclusions.

    The heart is much more than a mere pump for the circulatory system. It is the very seat of human emotion and has been for as long as I can remember. Our heart is in turn affected by our emotions.....people can actually die of a broken heart.

    There it is again....the "Bronze Age" included the Egyptians, one of the most accomplished civilisations in history.
    That is a derogatory description used by critics to discredit the Bible writers. Tell me who the goat herders were? Many of the Bible writers were not goat herders at all. Some were Kings who had well educated scribes. Jews were not uneducated. But by the time of Jesus' arrival on the scene, the educated ones had elevated themselves out of contention to be attracted to his ministry. History repeats.
     
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    Is your bias getting in the way perhaps?

    You choose your own position for your own reasons. There is no such thing as objective eveidence in this question.

    The evidence for God's existence for the majority of earth's inhabitants will have to be a personal encounter. It won't come from me or any other believer to those who have already decided that God does not exist.
     
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    I assume you did not read my post, the second law of thermodynamics did not begin to coalesce until AFTER the bb.

    The universe is chaotic, gravity sees to that
    not organised.

    Where is it written in science that god did it with magic. Science is happy to say "dont know" religion isnt so invents gods to ease their lack of knowledge


    Are you saying its not a bronze age book?

    It is a book written by people that had no understanding of the nature of the universe so they made up stories to ease their lack of understanding. And incidentally bestow much power on themselves.

    Dont be silly, the bible bible can and has been pulled appary and found lacking in almost every aspect it touches on

    E=MC2 proves the god of revelation 19:6 (kjv) cannot exist

    Yes but still made implecations that if was unmeasurable

    Prove this planet is unique in being the only one to support life. That is an extraordinary bold claim which requires extraordinarily evidence


    Yes a pump to circulate blood, no emotion involves . Dying of a broken heart is a figure of speech not a fact

    And in that history even kings kept goats

    What? Again you must have proof of your claim that the educated jews left their belief to follow an itinerant preacher - who incidentally probably didnt exist as described in the bible
     
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    Can you provide objective evidence of a god?
    The Bible is the claim not the evidence.
    The bible is religious, it was written by humans.
    The Bible is based off of bronze and iron age beliefs.
    Where does the Bible say how many non-believers there will be today?
     
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    Do you understand what objective evidence is?

    I believe in zero gods, that makes me an atheist.
    You believe in God, that makes you a theist. As a theist you have the burden of proof that a god exist.
     
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    Take your fingers out of your ears. If you can't comprehend what is said to you, how is conversation even possible.

    Believe whatever you wish.
     
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