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Featured Omnipotence Paradox and God's Limitations

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. WalterTrull

    WalterTrull Godfella

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    How big are the angels?
     
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  2. WalterTrull

    WalterTrull Godfella

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    Aha! Thank you! The Achilles Heel of the argument.
    Matter doesn't exist! :D
     
  3. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    You don't? So who wrote the pose in your name?
     
  4. WalterTrull

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    Aha! You think we are matter! :D
     
  5. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Actually we are mass but in the physics sense matter is close enough

    Matter : physical substance in general, as distinct from mind and spirit; (in physics) that which occupies space and possesses rest mass, especially as distinct from energy.

    I assume you think we dont matter
     
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  6. WalterTrull

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    Uhm.... There is nothing distinct from mind and spirit.
     
  7. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Except reality
     
  8. WalterTrull

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    The mist will clear. OMG How patronizing did that sound? Ouch. That's worse than "I will pray for you." While I know what I mean, I really must find better ways to say it. I'm guessing without the biblical reference. Oh well. More to follow, hopefully.
     
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    Did your god create you, or was it your parents having sex?
     
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    You do realize your god is a human construct?
     
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    Can you prove your god is real? You need objective evidence.
     
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  12. WalterTrull

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    My God creates me continuously, instant to instant.

    (My parents NEVER had sex. How dare you suggest such a thing! :eek:)
     
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  13. ChristineM

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    Very patronising. Sounds as though you are saying "god dun it wiv god magic so stomp foot i win.'

    But but if you can come up with something that can actually account for god magic that can be objectively falsified i (and millions of others) would be all ears.

    In the meantime i am quit happy behind the mist of reality
     
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  14. WalterTrull

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    Ooohh! It has a ring... but maybe not. Some folks might not understand the uplifting tone and miss the true message.
     
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  15. Jainarayan

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    Hinduism has a nice neat solution to this. We are living under the delusion and illusion of māyā. Everything we see and experience physically and materially, including our images and perceptions of God and the gods, the world, the stars, the universe is illusion. The only thing that exists is Brahman, which is not physical and is beyond attributes. When we try to understand Brahman, or we think of Brahman as God we are deluded by māyā.
     
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  16. WalterTrull

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    Well yeah, but real illusions. Illusions in the sense that we don't comprehend their structure.
     
  17. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Yes all Gods are human constructs. But i am interested in the argument nonetheless. Searching for God is searching for truth.

    Perhaps an underlying reality exists thats worth exploring.
     
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    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    Of course, I do say "ask a gunshot victim or a woman in labor if it's an illusion". :D
     
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    If a "God" did exist in the sense of an omnipotent being I think it would have to work in the following manner.

    Question, as far as your ability to imagine whatever you imagine to exist, are you omnipotent?

    I think so. Can you imagine a rock so heavy that you can't lift it? Sure. At the same time you can imagine lifting it. Sure, you have complete control over what you imagine. One can imagine multiple scenarios. Imagination doesn't require logical consistency.

    I like the Hindu idea of Vishnu lying in a dream like state which sustains the reality in which we exist. Logic and reason only exist for us because Vishnu/God/Whomever sustains both. However, like any dreamer it is sustained only as long as it is willed by the "dreamer" to be sustained.

    So in this case, what we experience as our reality is illusion. There actually is no rock or a god within the dream to lift it.

    God just like any of us is omnipotent over what they imagine to exist. So for God to actually be omnipotent over this reality they would have to exist outside of this reality but of course could still imagine themselves to exist in it.

    So if you look for "God" in this reality, our shared existence, there is none there just as you don't actually physical exist in whatever reality you create via your own imaginings.
     
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    I was being "eaten" by something. There was pain there was fear/horror. If asked at that moment was what I was experiencing real, of course I would have said yes, but then I woke up.
     
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