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Oil and Coal.

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by royol, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. royol

    royol Member

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    That explains the coal and oil then, all made in 40 days, if you put your mind to it, it is that easy.
    Well done.

    Remind me, did the flood cover the whole earth?
     
  2. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    They've still have a billion or so fossil sand dollars to explain away.
     
  3. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus
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    If I believed in a young Earth, that would have been my answer too.:D
     
  4. SoyLeche

    SoyLeche meh...

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    I'm not saying the flood is a good argument - but at least get your facts straight.

    The rain lasted for "forty days and forty nights". "The waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days."

    And if you go by the dates given for when "all the afountains of the great deep bbroken up, and the cwindows of heaven were opened" to when "the waters were dried up from off the earth" you get 320 days.
     
  5. SoyLeche

    SoyLeche meh...

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    They are no harder to explain away for a young earther than the oil is - God did it.
     
  6. sandy whitelinger

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    I've heard it stated that it would have come from massive erosion caused during both/either the beginning of the deluge or the returning of the waters.
     
  7. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    But that would mean that God lied. He simply can't do that. :D
     
  8. SoyLeche

    SoyLeche meh...

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    What would he have lied about? Did he ever say he didn't put them there like that? :D

    (I'm not a young earther, I just play one on RF occasionally)
     
  9. jwu

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    Actually it doesn't at all...because there is way too much oil and coal on earth to be the result of a single event.

    There is enough mineral oil to cover the entire earth in a two feet thick layer. The amount of biomass which would have to have be submerged is even way more than that. That much biomass couldn't possibly have been around all at the same time.

    There are estimations which put the amount of fossil fuels at about 100 times the biomass which is extant on earth nowadays.


    And of course, things like footsteps in coal seams falsify the concept that the coal is the result of a worldwide deluge as well.
     
  10. waacman

    waacman Restoration of everything

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    footstep's in coal?
     
  11. waacman

    waacman Restoration of everything

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    Maybe all oil isn't biogenic? There are also several theories that support oil and natural gases aren't created by organic materials. You are right though about the biomass being about 100 times as now though, but there are also alot of interesting theories about that as well.
     
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    I can't post links yet...google "coalprints", the very first link which comes up...the one on talkorigins.


    True, there are other theories about the formation of oil, but at least the one involving the noachian deluge is out of the window. Even if the deluge had happened, it could not possibly account for this (besides, the deluge is falsified by geology anyway; lack of flood strata, fossil sorting, columnar basalt, welded tuffs, limestones, ancient drought cracks, animal burrows, paleosols, yadda yadda yadda). And particularly in case of coal, of which there is way too much as well, a biogenic origin is indisputable. After all, it's full of pieces which are easily identifiable as former wood.
     
  13. kai

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    footsteps in coal?
     
  14. royol

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    Slightly off topic but!!!!!!!!
    Are you telling us that Noah fed and watered two of every animal on the planet for 320 days?
     
  15. SoyLeche

    SoyLeche meh...

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    No, I'm not - the Bible is.
     
  16. waacman

    waacman Restoration of everything

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    jwu, what about the oil in the Guaymas Basin in the Gulf of California? Supposedly its only about 4000 years old or even less! There was an article on this in New Scientist back in 1991 and there have been many other findings of this type of thing regarding not only petroleum, but natural gases as well. But, I don't really know much about the whole coal thing. I googled coalprints, found the talkorigins site, but was disappointed that there we no real pictures, just a diagram of where the footprints were. I actually wanted to see it, they mentioned some books, but I don't think I have the resources to get ahold of those particular books.
     
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    The bible pretty clearly says that God does not decieve. It appears to me that God would be decieving the vast majority of scientists out there by providing evidence that leads them astray from his truth.
    Another issue that has always bothered me. How do people who believe in a young earth explain the many stratified layers of fossils, starting from primitive life forms and changing as you go through the layers.

    While we are on it, how do they explain the hundreds of thousands of layers that can be found in polar ice, much like growth rings on trees. We can observe in the here and now that each year, a similar layer is deposited. Are we to assume that those layers used to occur more frequently throughout the year? Or would it be more logical to realize that the earth is at least as old as the ice is thick.
     
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    i beleive that is hydrothermal oil which is differant than crude i will try and find out more
     
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    kai ragamuffin

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    i was interested in the footprints in coal thing but all i can find is dinosaur footprints in coal
     
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