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Oh, that poor "deprived" and "abused" Walmart corporation!

Discussion in 'Consumer Affairs' started by Jonathan Bailey, Jul 5, 2019.

  1. PureX

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    Monetary investment is not the only criteria for "ownership" in a reasonable, equitable system.
    When your business effects the lives and livelihoods of other people (as every business enterprise does), it's not "your business" anymore. It's PARTLY yours, but not totally. Which is why you should not have total control over it.
     
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    Communism is a disaster for all for the elite.
     
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    Or investors can bugger off and face incredible limits on how much you can make from investments so no one makes money simply by having a lot of money. That is where you see gross abuse of our system, because investors are not producing, manufacturing, contributing, and they tend to not work.
     
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    But cooperation is the pathway to overall success. You shoud someday learn the difference between these two words.
     
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    Its a matter of having accurate perspectives. In no way are we living under anything that resembles fascism.
     
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    Investment capital is a very good and necessary aspect of any economic system. And it can't exist without some profitable return. But it does not warrant being given the right of total ownership, and total control over the invested business enterprise, because that enterprise effects the well being of so many other people.
     
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    Try refusing to participate in the system as see what happens to you.
     
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    Nothing. There are numerous communes doing just that.
     
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    Participating in the system works great for me.
    What kind of idiot would "refuse"?

    You could try to emulate Thoreau of course.
    Go try it!
     
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    Nobody has total control not even of a vegetable
    stand. You must be in some alternate reality.
     
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    Unless you're disabled, you work for a living. Capital investors are not doing this. They make money by doing absolutely nothing more than having money. Dont blame Walmart, blame centuries of legislation that has stacked the cards heavily against the proletariate while gifting significant benefits to those already of affluence.
     
  13. Audie

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    Ah a cute lil attempt at a put-down. From you it has
    the power of a butterfly sting.

    Cooperation is what commies try to force on people.
    Capitalism does voluntary with what wiser than you
    termed enloghtened self interest.
     
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    I am kind of on the sidelines for personal reasons, but
    my family is hugely involved in investment in HK,
    Singapore, NYC, Vancouver and Toronto.

    The image of "doing nothing" that you conjure really
    is such a total mismatch for the reality of the work
    that entails.

    It is no cpincidence that with few exceptions the
    richest are workaholics.

    But you know that. Even if the ideologically pure
    cannot grasp it.
     
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    "Criterion" is the singular form.
    The people & government already have partial control.
    Government regulates.
    The people control with their spending.
    What you propose is total government control because
    it is politicians running it who take the owner's power,
    & grant it to themselves & others....to the extent they
    deign to allow it.

    If the workers really want to share in the risks & benefits
    of ownership, they may buy stock. They could even
    start their own company. This is power they already have.
     
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    The beauty of capitalism is that there's no need to prevent people from
    forming voluntary communist enclaves within the overall capitalist structure.
    They're no threat to capitalism....Most people prefer free economic
    association over the limits & languor of socialism & communism.
    So I welcome hippies & radicals to form communes & cooperatives.
    It's your right. Good luck.

    But socialism & communism.....they require a powerful government to
    forcibly suppress free economic association because it would otherwise
    spread among the ambitious, the productive, & the independent minded
    & those who want more than is rationed to them by Big Brother's Ministry
    Of Fair Allocation.
     
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    I have known investors. Their work is of such importance we would find ways to manage without if they all quit (and in a post jobs world, we will have to figure that out by then). We were better off when we told the church we dont actually need it, despite their claims just as we'll be better off after we tell WallStreet to bugger off, despite what they tell us.
     
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    The people have very little control, now, because capitalism has failed them, as it always will, by creating an oligarchy of corruption via huge wealth disparity. We are wildly deluded if we with think we are "free" in this system. Or that we could implement any other, from within. The current government of the U.S. represents no one but the wealthy oligarchs that bought and paid for every significant member in it. And they are steadily dismantling every law and policy that protects the citizenry from their economic exploitation and abuse. Capitalism in the U.S. has been a wild success for the very wealthy elite, who want to own and control everything and everyone. They now do own and control nearly everything: the government, the media, the federal reserve, and they use them to continue to enrich themselves at everyone else's expense. And that "expense" continues to increase, and with that increase comes the very real suffering of more and more actual humans. Unnecessary suffering. And when that suffering becomes too much for people to endure, they will revolt. They'll have no choice. And in the end, it'll be because the richest country in the history of the world still couldn't manage to share its wealth among its citizens in an equitable manner. GREED will have made that impossible.
     
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    I know. You have a pat answer for everything to justify acting on your personal belief in the Holy Workers Paradise.

    That you personally have the ability to pick and choose who is attacked and how is an enviable ability. Do you get to have sex with all the women that join cult too or is it just the killing?

    So if there is some difference between the two of us (besides the homicidal religious mania issue) it is perfectly justifiable for me to avoid rational and reasonable resolution of that issue and just slaughter. Got it.
     
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    This just reeks of powerless victimhood.
    Remember that one's outlook on life is merely that...not reality.
     
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