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Occult Spirituality and Holy Guardian Angel

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by EverChanging, May 15, 2020.

  1. EverChanging

    EverChanging Well-Known Member

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    For those involved in occult spiritualities such as Thelema (as just one example among many) can you elaborate on your concept of the Holy Guardian Angel?

    What is it?

    Who is it?

    How do you obtain union with it?

    Is it identified with God or the Logos?

    Any other thoughts?
     
  2. DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan

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    What is it?
    The Medium Between the Higher Self and Realm of Ideals and the Operative Self, You now in the Mundus or dealing with this experience and phenomena.

    Who is it?
    It is in between You and God in some senses, meaning its a version of your Self which is closer to the Divine Whole than you seem to be in this form as you are.

    How do you obtain union with it?
    You simply ask, but others have developed various routes or convoluted procedures. It is very easy to contact and you are already in contact and have been.

    Is it identified with God or the Logos?
    Yes, it is wholly from God and related to God as part of the Logos.

    Any other thoughts?

    Yeah, there are thought to be different layers of experience and understanding, you as you are now reside on a middle layer, not the lowest and not the highest.

    the layers in some models or senses "above you" or in the positive become increasingly refined and unitary until everything leads to one and pure animating intelligence and life, going in the other direction is opposite and increasingly defined and separated like zooming in on particles.

    The Holy Guardian Angel is not too different from Socrates' Daemon or Daimones. These are also similar to the "Princes" of the Heavens which are the Administrators or "Genius" over Nations or concepts.

    This Particular Angel is like your Spirit Genius or Genii and Higher or you could even say in some senses refined or even future self.

    You are considered an extension of it as it is an extension of God's Command or Logos which is an extension of God, and under you and extending from you are your deeds and your shadow and things like that.

    To obtain union with anything more is to decrease the amount of distance between you and it, both superficially as well as mentally. The superficial means are to become like the concept of an angel physically, that means purification externally, and the internal portion.

    Jesus was considered to be one who is aligned and heavily in contact with his Higher Self and more One with it than others might be and he was believed to be extremely pure both inside and out.
     
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    Interesting. Can you recommend books or articles on the HGA as an extension of the Logos?

    Would you say the Logos is the higher self of the HGA?
     
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    That is an interesting way to think about it, and in a sense I'd say so, or rather that the Holy Guardian Angel is a lower or more condensed manifestation of God.

    So God is imagined in systems like these to be like a totality or Pleroma, which emanates.

    Logos is the creative power or command of God to generate things.

    One such manifestation or generated thing is Anthropos for example, the Cosmic Totality of this Formed Universe and its Spirit.

    The Holy Guardian Angel is a layer or condensation closer to us and lesser than many other layers which become increasingly abstract.

    So our particular Higher Self is a lesser version of a Totality of Higher Selves which are a General Higher Self representative of all.

    This sort of pattern keeps repeating and can be broken down variously with an almost infinite seeming availability to be sliced into further divisions or minutiae.

    More simply, our formed experience is supposed to be a kind of shadow or representation of decisions and things going on at a higher spiritual level or realm, like we are just the collateral results off of higher and higher layers of activity funneling and falling down.

    What we do then falls further from our layer into even more condensed things, a kind of hell, where even the little things we do have dire implications, just like the dire things we experience here are in "the heavens" the results of petty seeming things like bets and guesses or mere flashes of thoughts.

    Are you started to sort of get the picture of what is being described?

    So God has a power called Logos which executes and manifests into a reality God's Will or desires or plans or thoughts or ideas into whatever form God wants.

    What is produced has an ideal abstract version like a "Plan" or "Ideal" and then multiplies into lesser variants or specific versions that are unique or nuanced, sort of like a geneological or animal kingdom type tree, there is the category Shrimp, then all the various shrimp under it for example.

    When you try to contact the Holy Guardian Angel it was imagined you were calling upon a higher or ideal spirit self, the You that is sitting up on a higher layer almost playing a video game in a way or having a chat with other spirits maybe. What it goes through and thinks and does has implications upon your experience in this layer.

    Above it is a higher layer and a higher layer until it is the Logos which is the power of God and God and Like Nothing Literally at maximum or near maximum abstraction.

    I don't really have any good book reccomendations that really carefully and solidly cover this idea, but a good possible place to start is with its origins in Pythagoreanism and Plato's Ideal Forms and then Neo-Platonism into Late Antiquity Theurgy, and you can throw in Pyrhonnism and Mahayana Buddhist Sutras in there as well, then the works of Gnostics like Valentinian Gnosticism and then Sufi and Shia Mysticism and then the Kabbalah stuff into the ideas of the New Occult Revival.

    After a while, the concept becomes repeated so many times in various ways that it becomes quite clear what it is referring to and each had a variety of practices and methods for what they imagined would help them align better to a wiser and more free higher level.

    That higher level itself was not considered flawless or guaranteed, but it was understood to be on its own spiritual journey and test. Each of these, if they all align, create a noble person and a straight ascending stairway or path of right and good guidance and behavior and certain special insights or even future knowledge and things like that, as the decrees were believed to funnel down so that one could sense what may occur in our realm as its "opening up the gates" and coming down the chain from higher realms until it hits ours and then passes through our distress or reactions into the lower realms.

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    Do you believe the HGA has a spiritual body, or some form or means of embodiment?
     
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    Most people believe so, yes, that was the general idea seemingly for a long time leading up into the Thelemic version or Occult Revival versions as well. Personally though I don't necessarily believe in such, but I recognize that it was seemingly the popular idea that these things possess a structure of sorts and certain limitations until they reach the highest upon highest layers which are utterly abstract and beyond such things.

    These were also "imaged" though they may have some flexibility of forms and freedom in manifesting, they usually were thought to be of one particular form and could appear to the senses or imagination in various ways in such forms.
     
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    What do you think of the idea of drawing down the essence or body of the HGA as a means of union in a eucharist/mass/holy communion? This is something I am experimenting with currently.
     
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    Yeah, I think that can very well work and is not dissimilar to what I believe the intentions were in several ritual acts from around the world including the Christian communion.
     
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