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Occasio-Cortez on Medicare for all.
- Thread starter YeshuaRedeemed
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Fair enough. It's certainly not a legal right in the USA at this time in any event.
I took the OP to be asking whether it "should" be a right.
Sounds workable to me.
But she'd be the last person I'd want designing the system.
But she'd be the last person I'd want designing the system.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
Are we speaking of America?
I've almost always had health care of some sort, and was gainfully employed enough to pay what they asked for it, so I will admit that I have been blessed.
Still, the question always becomes, how is it paid for? In the places where I worked from 1970 to 2003, the profits were such that costs were just covered by the employer. In my youth, we had no health care but Doctors did not seem to charge much, or let us pay in payments or chickens and flour. Since 2003, I've been on Social Security or something. This was an account that everyone that worked paid into, sort of like a savings account. Once in a while the Government tries to mess with it and treat it like their own pot of Gold.
So, what we are really spouting off about is how do we get the Unemployed and Immigrants health care? I can agree that we have a moral need to help them, and that any provision made to help them needs to be done decently and in order. I have encountered those who insist that their public dole is their right, but those who are able should work to help pay for their lifestyle. I've spoken with those who have more babies so they will get more money. I am sure that there are myriad other ways to abuse the public good will, but let's not speak of that.
My own parents worked at below minimum wage jobs their whole lives, and to my knowledge did not get any public help. In the 50s I was paid 25 cents an hour, but as I grew up was able to get higher pay. It was a blessing to be white. Racism was so entrenched that no one spoke of it.
I've almost always had health care of some sort, and was gainfully employed enough to pay what they asked for it, so I will admit that I have been blessed.
Still, the question always becomes, how is it paid for? In the places where I worked from 1970 to 2003, the profits were such that costs were just covered by the employer. In my youth, we had no health care but Doctors did not seem to charge much, or let us pay in payments or chickens and flour. Since 2003, I've been on Social Security or something. This was an account that everyone that worked paid into, sort of like a savings account. Once in a while the Government tries to mess with it and treat it like their own pot of Gold.
So, what we are really spouting off about is how do we get the Unemployed and Immigrants health care? I can agree that we have a moral need to help them, and that any provision made to help them needs to be done decently and in order. I have encountered those who insist that their public dole is their right, but those who are able should work to help pay for their lifestyle. I've spoken with those who have more babies so they will get more money. I am sure that there are myriad other ways to abuse the public good will, but let's not speak of that.
My own parents worked at below minimum wage jobs their whole lives, and to my knowledge did not get any public help. In the 50s I was paid 25 cents an hour, but as I grew up was able to get higher pay. It was a blessing to be white. Racism was so entrenched that no one spoke of it.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
If we follow her thinking then eating--IMHO--is waaay more important than healthcare. Why aren't we feeding everyone for free?
I would prefer it not be designed. I'd calculate the true cost and set the premium accordingly with one tweak to use the same age-related cost basis as private insurance does.
Where does "free" come in in this context?
As far as free food goes, I volunteer with an organization that collects surplus food and distributes it to charities that indeed distribute it with no charge to the recipients. That also applies to clothing.
You just proposed design criteria.
esmith
Veteran Member
And the darling of the left doesn't have a clue about just about anything to do with anything
All statements involving Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez | PolitiFact
The Misleading Claim That $21 Trillion in Misspent Pentagon Funds Could Pay for ‘Medicare for All’
When the Democrats get tired of just attacking the President why don't they list their agenda for the country? Tell you why, they don't have one.
All statements involving Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez | PolitiFact
The Misleading Claim That $21 Trillion in Misspent Pentagon Funds Could Pay for ‘Medicare for All’
When the Democrats get tired of just attacking the President why don't they list their agenda for the country? Tell you why, they don't have one.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
No one has one and it's because the oligarchs have a stranglehold on our system. We should ALL - Dems, GOP, independents - make our first priority defeating and defanging the oligarchs. Until we do that, there will be no workable solutions coming from any camp.
Duke_Leto
Active Member
Indeed, why not? But more importantly, isn't it possible to do both?
BSM1
What? Me worry?
No matter what, someone has to pay.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
If Healthcare is a universal right, then what happens with "Known self destructive behaviors?" I'm thinking of Smoking, Drinking, Obesity and so on.
esmith
Veteran Member
How you going to pay for it.
Or is that something no one has figured out.