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Objective truth

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by AT-AT, Jun 22, 2019.

  1. AT-AT

    AT-AT Well-Known Member

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    Does deep thought and duration of it lead to objective truth?

    Or to reformat the question, is a person often closer to objective truth by age 70 than age 20?

    Note I didn't define "how close" they are, I said "closer".
     
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  2. sooda

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    Depends on the person.
     
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    By "deep thought," do you mean contemplation? I don't see how chronological age would have anything to do with objective truth, as time spent in contemplation varies from individual to individual.

    In my experience, one's ability to manage the ego is directly proportional to how close one comes to objective (unbiased) truth.
     
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  4. AT-AT

    AT-AT Well-Known Member

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    Let's say Stephen Hawking.
     
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    I have no idea. I don't know him.
     
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    AT-AT Well-Known Member

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    Yes. It's a deep question, I mean there are a lot of variables to it for me to define. If anyone has any more for me to define first, lemme know.
     
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    I don't personally know him either. But his life is as interesting as cherry Mt. Dew to read about.
     
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    Not to me..
     
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    You might have liked him but I digress.

    "I believe there are no questions that science can't answer about a physical universe." - Stephen Hawking
     
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    Well, I think there's a lot of truth in that.
     
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    He said 100 other things with a lot of truth too. Many of them regarded science.

    I just wanted to make it clear he was a cool dude.
     
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    "Objective truth" does not exist except as a shorthand way of saying "inter-sujectively verifiable truths". Now, if we recognize that fact, then it becomes easier to answer the OP.

    Deep thought by itself is insufficient to guarantee inter-subjectively verifiable truths. You need "deep thought" plus empirical verification!
     
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    That's been my experience too.
     
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    I have an additional question to introduce to this topic. It's:

    What are the pros and cons of believing that the strongest and most adaptable are the survivers in a race?
     
  15. Enoch07

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    The closest I can think of, according to what you are asking. Is that with age you do tend to take a bit more time thinking about your actions before you act on them. Doesn't mean old folks are incapable of knee jerk reactions or that they never make mistakes. Just that with age you tend to think longer, and expand the possible outcomes you don't have the experience to even contemplate when you're younger.
     
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    The pros seem obvious.

    One possible con: potential loss of collected wisdom through adaptation resulting in reinventing the wheel?

    Edit: also... people are unpredictable. a weak does not mean useless. a weak person can come up with a great idea.

    Edit Edit: also, artistic and entertainment qualities is not valued ( now I'm finished :oops::rolleyes: )
     
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    Well Enoch, you're a reasonable man. The fact you can't without a doubt say "yes" that it does lead to objective truth, tells me that for most intents, best not to weigh a person's age too much in considering their ideas. One has to weigh them based on other factors.
     
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    That's a pretty big con, yes.
     
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  19. Enoch07

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    That's true. I mean I've met 70 year olds that are less mature/rational than some 18 year olds I've known. This is a rare and extreme case of course, not something you'll see everyday. But age doesn't bless any wisdom solely on it's own.

    A good example is Stan Lees (RIP) daughter. Who is 67 years old. Is a spoiled brat who lived a sheltered life, unable to provide for herself. Leached off her old man until the day he died. Tried using him a few times because he refused to upgrade her from a $10 million mansion to a $20 million mansion.

    To gain the wisdom that comes from age you gotta experience some hardship and struggle. Then learn and rise from that hardship with a better understanding of yourself and the world around you.
     
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    Verisimilitude is the closest we can get because we cannot be truly objective unless we are outside this reality.. I suggest reading Popper.
     
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