Obey the messenger, not the prophet

[Wasp]

The Qur'an refers many times to the importance of obeying the Messenger (Muhammad saws).

4:59 "If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result."

4:115 "But if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows a path other than that of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination!"

33:36 "When Allah and His Messenger have decided something, no believing man or woman has a choice about [following or not following] it. Anyone who disobeys Allah and His Messenger is clearly misguided."

And others..

I ran into a theory: we are - and they were - to obey the Messenger saws, but not the Prophet saws. The Prophet saws was the same person as the Messenger saws, but apparently to some it makes sense that when it came to his title as a prophet we aren't - and they weren't - to obey him.

For instance, the Prophet saws did order women to wear hijab, but the Messenger saws supposedly didn't. As far as I understand, according to this theory his being a messenger was his duty and his being a prophet was a rather personal title related to his personal opinions that weren't related to Islam.

 

[JJ50]

Never obey anyone who claims to be a religious messenger.

 

[1213]

The Qur'an refers many times to the importance of obeying the Messenger (Muhammad saws).
...

And according to the Quran Jesus is the messenger of God, but still they don’t seem to believe Jesus.

…The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah … …believe in Allah and His messengers. …
Surat An-Nisā' 4:171
Surah An-Nisa [4:171]

 

[danieldemol]

The Qur'an refers many times to the importance of obeying the Messenger (Muhammad saws).

4:59 "If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result."

4:115 "But if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows a path other than that of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination!"

33:36 "When Allah and His Messenger have decided something, no believing man or woman has a choice about [following or not following] it. Anyone who disobeys Allah and His Messenger is clearly misguided."

And others..

I ran into a theory: we are - and they were - to obey the Messenger saws, but not the Prophet saws. The Prophet saws was the same person as the Messenger saws, but apparently to some it makes sense that when it came to his title as a prophet we aren't - and they weren't - to obey him.

For instance, the Prophet saws did order women to wear hijab, but the Messenger saws supposedly didn't. As far as I understand, according to this theory his being a messenger was his duty and his being a prophet was a rather personal title related to his personal opinions that weren't related to Islam.

What a self contradictory post and filled with nonsense.

Glad to be obeying God alone without having to blindly imitate any Messenger.

 

[Audie]

Never obey anyone who claims to be a religious messenger.

A thousand pities that everyone has not known
that for millenia.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What a self contradictory post and filled with nonsense.

Glad to be obeying God alone without having to blindly imitate any Messenger.

All we can know about God is from God's Messengers, their person, their lives and their Messages. All praise of God reverts to them.

Thus I see it is not blind faith to accept them, it is not blind faith to live as they did and taught.

The post does address the sound advice that we need to implement what the Messenger has said, which is what Allah has said.

The issue becomes one of Authority after the Messenger has passed on. In Islam the authority was not clear and thus Hadith that were revealed by successors, can only be verified by reference to the Quran.

Regards Tony