Avi1001
reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Yeah, more than 40,000 Yezidis and Christians should be killed, killed, butchered, raped, forcefully converted. Who cares.
Not my position, at all.
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Yeah, more than 40,000 Yezidis and Christians should be killed, killed, butchered, raped, forcefully converted. Who cares.
We have been doing short term fixes and wars for 2,000 years. How long will it take to learn only long term, sustainable efforts succeed ?
You write as if you believe that foxes could be educated not to steal chickens, or humans taught not to be aggressive?
I would love to see your lesson plan that could educate humans not to be what they are........ warriors.
Not my position, at all.
Then we need to take action.
I mentioned no strategy.... ?That exact strategy has brought us to the intelligent position we are in today....the world has 20,000 nuclear weapons and we are waiting for the next one to drop. Lets hope it's not on an ally.
not killing all of both....... ? I did not understand this.There are many ways to prevent foxes from stealing chickens....one of them is not killing all of both.
So let's talk about what we can do now to save innocent folks from murderous terrorists .... yes?
Sorry for the confusion. Love for people who are unlike ourselves is an artificial or a spiritual love, not natural. Very few people maintain love purposely, intensively, for people that are not family. Most people love you while you are in the room. At the moment the Yazidis are 'In the room', and we are so proud of ourselves for caring about them for ten seconds. That was all I meant. I did not mean to say that they were second class.Don't mind. They are weird people, maybe second or third class.
One way to save the Yazidi would be to not just invade but to annex the region. Historically that is the only way to really change the place. I cannot suggest that we do that though. I stick to saying that we should do something, but I am not happy with the powers of the executive office here in the USA. There is too much power to start wars. Avi has a point though that if we go in briefly and leave, we can expect things to get increasingly worse in the region, since we are strangers. So...really there is no solution. Therefore we should do what we can, which is what we are doing. In the moment we should try to 'Save' the Yazidis. We can save them momentarily. Things are going to get worse, though. The insurgents will be encouraged. Our involvement, despite assurances to the contrary, will be resented.Okay that wont save the Yazidi at all.
Thanks for the answer, Sir. Sorry that I misunderstood your words. God bless you.Sorry for the confusion. Love for people who are unlike ourselves is an artificial or a spiritual love, not natural. Very few people maintain love purposely, intensively, for people that are not family. Most people love you while you are in the room. At the moment the Yazidis are 'In the room', and we are so proud of ourselves for caring about them for ten seconds. That was all I meant. I did not mean to say that they were second class.
The action we need to take is to think first. It always looks like we need to go to war right away....until we find out later....oops we really didn't need to, and our actions made things worse, and we were given incorrect information and intelligence. Most likely the case here, again.
ISIS does wait for us to finish thinking. Yezidis and Christians will be annihilated and we were still thinking.
ISIS does wait for us to finish thinking. Yezidis and Christians will be annihilated and we were still thinking.
Oh puhlease!
If you're so concerned for the Yizidis and advocate for Iraq 3.0 - go sign-up!
Put your money where your mouth is. Don't lecture me on how horrible I am simply because I'd prefer not to have my country dragged into yet another pointless conflict in the Middle-East that will sow the seeds for Iraq 4.0 or maybe even Iran 1.0 (Iran 2.0 if you consider Operation Ajax).
You (like I) probably never even knew of these Yizidi people if it wasn't for this recent media coverage.
Just like how (in my opinion) no-one cared about the victims of the Rwandan genocide, or the genocide in East Timor. Personally (and honestly) what's happening to the Yzidis is not only out of my control, but (frankly) doesn't really impact me enough to make me want to become involved militarily. :sorry1:
The only difference between you and I, is that I actually am honest enough to admit that (as I'm typing away comfortably via my laptop in my First-World country) what happens to the Yizidis most-likely won't ever affect me to any significant degree. Same for the countless thousands across God-knows how many African countries who're facing similar hardships, or the people of North Korea etc etc.
Perhaps what is most ironic is that a lot of these supporters for Iraq 3.0 (because of systematic targeting and attack on civilians by ISIS) are also zealous supporters of the IDF's very recent systematic assault on the civilians of Gaza.
As if by magic, attitudes do a 180-turn.
Why is supporting peaceful resolution over violent conflict ignorant?
The last time the USA went into Iraq bombing, it was to free the people.
How well did that work out?
Does the lack of Turkish, Iranian, or Russian airstrikes mean that they support genocide? Maybe it just means they are smart enough to know how effective bombing will be against a guerrilla army.
Tom
None of this is quite relevant. My question was why we are doing it when they are other powers better placed. We were effectively booted out by the Iraqis. Where are the other people who claim to oppose the horrors?Russians are already providing Military Planes to Iraqi Govt. If ISIS becomes more powerful there is no reason to suggest Turkey and Iran wont become involved.
After all who thought that America would again get involved in Iraq two weeks ago.
None of this is quite relevant. My question was why we are doing it when they are other powers better placed. We were effectively booted out by the Iraqis. Where are the other people who claim to oppose the horrors?
I had hoped Obama was clever and strong enough to resist the warhawks. Once again, he's a disappointment.
Tom