Nude women in the media

[Revoltingest]

Qualities brought about by nudity clearly vary.

Sure I'll howl at the moon and salivate over photos and depictions of nude people.

There's another aspect though, for which the nude body, especially in fine art photography, painting, and sculpture, project strength, design, and sexuality in ways apart from eroticism.

Art is just failed pornography.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

He al

So, do you feel that Goya's famous Naked Maja Qualifies?

Spoiler: Naked Maja

Be forewarned, the above contains full frontal nudity​

He did a fully clothed version which is next to it in the Prado Madrid. see Below
Goya might have been a great artist but those feet are terrible, and it looks like she has a broken neck.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe..._Maja_ubrana2.jpg/400px-Goya_Maja_ubrana2.jpg

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

I got into a discussion with a fellow worker at the theater I volunteer at about Playboy magazine's decision to bring back pictures of nude women. He contends that depictions of nude women in an artistic medium are just as bad as actual photos. Forgetting about his evaluation of "bad," do you think depictions of nude women and photos of nude women are comparable?

Why or why not?


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Just as bad. Really?

One might wonder why either of those things would be considered bad.

 

[BSM1]

Comparable, since both feature nude women.
It's moral if they're good look'n & willing.

Or, at our age, breathin'..

 

[jonathan180iq]

I think people want to forget or ignore the fact that we are, all of us, sex objects... Without that truth, we don't survive as a species. We are attracted to other people out of sexual desire. It is real a thing. Pretending that people aren't sexual objects (along with many other things) leads to needlessly circular conversations like this.

Why do women wear low-cut shirts, form-fitting clothing, and doll themselves up with makeup and hair styles. Why do men workout, change hair and facial styles based on popular fads, wear certain clothes, drive certain cars, and exhibit certain social behaviors?

It's all about sex. Almost everything we do is because of sex, directly or indirectly.

So, should women be naked in magazines? Yes.
Should me be naked in magazines? Yes.
Should our whole society stop pretending that sex isn't one of the single greatest drivers of our behaviors? Yes.

 

[sayak83]

I got into a discussion with a fellow worker at the theater I volunteer at about Playboy magazine's decision to bring back pictures of nude women. He contends that depictions of nude women in an artistic medium are just as bad as actual photos. Forgetting about his evaluation of "bad," do you think depictions of nude women and photos of nude women are comparable?

Why or why not?


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It is distracting to teenage males.. if I remember correctly.
But I enjoy many nude paintings and sculpture today, from both India and the West. Bodies are integral to us while clothes are not. So when an individual is portrayed outside of a social context as Man or Woman, nude portrayal is what I prefer.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Art is just failed pornography.

Or, vice versa.

 

[Skwim]

Since this thread has resurfaced, I've been thinking that there may be an unconscious feeling of connected immediacy inherent in photos that doesn't occur with paintings. Photos seem to harbor a sense of "being there" that depictions lack. The photographic image of a nude woman appears no different than if one were actually present at the scene itself. A depiction, on the other hand, distances one from the scene because it's an interpretation filtered through the eye and impression of the artist. One wouldn't see the nude exactly as the artist does, which prompts the viewer to regard the nude depiction as less than real. And because we tend not to invest the "less than real" with the same quality of genuineness as we do with the "real," we typically don't assign it the same significance.

Consider:

Spoiler: Comparison

Warning: Nude photo.​

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[metis]

Speaking of nude women, or at least nearly nude women, ever see what the women who broadcast are wearing as required by the Fox execs? They cannot wear their own clothes but must grab from the rack that Fox has set up.

Fox is for those who like titillation (no pun intended ) along with their "confirmation bias"-- sorta like how coffee and donuts go together or pasties and a beer (I wonder how many non-Yoopers know what "pasties" are? ).

 

[QuestioningMind]

I think its disrespectful and dehumanizes women using them sex objects.

Most males do find females to be objects of sexual desire. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's why humans have survived for as long as we have. Acknowledging that females (or males for that matter) are objects of sexual desire is fine as long as you're not defining anyone as STRICTLY objects of sexual desire.

 

[Skwim]

Most males do find females to be objects of sexual desire. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's why humans have survived for as long as we have. Acknowledging that females (or males for that matter) are objects of sexual desire is fine as long as you're not defining anyone as STRICTLY objects of sexual desire.

And this is the qualifying difference. At some time or another we all look on others as objects of different emotions: love, laughter, admiration, envy, jealousy, trust, hope, security, and sexual desire. But not exclusively. Just because we regard comedians as objects of humor doesn't mean we don't recognize they have other positive characteristics as well. . . .not if we have a healthy psyche. That we sometimes look at a nude woman as a sexual object is no worse than looking at the Pope as an object of reverence. Granted that the constituents of reverence, typically respect, admiration, and maybe awe, may be a bit loftier than the carnal constituents of sexual desire, but it doesn't mean that sexual desire, in of itself, is unwholesome or unworthy of respect.

So, as I see it, the big issue isn't sexually objectifying women, but treating them as such. Lust ain't bad as long as it's kept in perspective.

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[PositiveThinking09]

Context and perspective are everything. Women are one of the most beautiful things on Earth and they needed to be protected, as the Earth does.

 

[Worshipper]

I think the mistake of thinking that photography is somehow more real than other artistic media is one of the stranger quirks of our current era. One look at those comparison images shows that all three are obviously artistic depictions — ceci n'est pas une femme, all the way around.

Whether good, bad, or what-have-you, photographic depictions of nude women are morally equivalent to all other artistic depictions of the same, taken as a category.