Let me say it again. And this is the last time i'm going to say it.
so badran, im goint to put an extra effort to understand you this time.
To be honest, i already knew what you have been continously stating here, but you are going on missing (intentionally or unintentional) the point, that when burqa is practiced it brings oppression(directly or indirectly) for a few, while it is a practice which is based on misunderstanding.
This is how they preserve their religion, just because i don't agree doesn't mean i have a right to decide that their view is a misunderstanding and treat them based on that. I think they are wrong, but i have no right or authority to treat them as if their understanding of their religion doesn't count just because i don't agree with it. Can you understand this simple idea? This is their view of Islam.
spot on badran, You are in favor of anything in the name of faith, be it be dowry, burqa, terrorism, conquest etc, and argues they have right to preserve their religion based on their understanding(wrong understanding) of religion without concerning its effects on other innocent people. Let the lifeless religion live long, and life of people suffer. The religion is for the wellness of people, allowing people to suffer to practice religion in wrong manner is against the objective of religion.
Like i said it is a necessity for some, and those who don't view it as a necessity, but as an extra effort, still have their right preserved to practice that part of their religion.
again you got it wrong, badran. First of all, burqa is not of religious teachings, but it is cultural. Innocent people are suffered due to this misunderstanding, banning burqa to save women has nothing to do with a religion.
The burqa is not Islamic by Samir Khalil Samir
From the start, it needs to be said that there is not the slightest reference in the Koran or Islamic tradition (Sunnah) regarding this issue. Therefore it is not an Islamic norm. None of the Koranic scholars dare say so, but there are many who claim that it is a religious norm.
If it wasn't related to religion at all it would still be their choice to wear what they want. Are you capable of understanding this simple concept? Or is it beyond your ability to comprehend? The simple and basic idea of a woman deciding what to wear, wether it is for a religious necessity, a religious "non-necessity", or a reason not related to religion at all, she should still be able to wear it.
already explained burqa is not of islamic teaching but it is cultural. And women wear burqa for non-religious reasons, this is impossible, women wear burqa for their religion, why non-muslims dont wear burqa?
quoting here your own statement
Face covering in general, i'm not talking about burqa in particular, face covering are worn for religious reasons.
badran, for the well sake of the oppressed, you people have to awake from this simple concept, go bit more deep.
And? How can i help you? A woman asking her mother some stuff, what should that tell me? I already know women who wear it, there is some trouble in wearing it. But there are no "basic life necessities" that they can't do.
That just means there are women who cant tolerate burka, still they are forced to wear it under oppression, because some others are misunderstanding it as religious practice.
let's burn the burqa : tasleema nasreen
My mother used purdah. She wore a burqa with a net cover in front of the face. It reminded me of the meatsafes in my grandmother's house. One had a net door made of cloth, the other of metal. But the objective was the same: keeping the meat safe. My mother was put under a burqa by her conservative family. They told her that wearing a burqa would mean obeying Allah. And if you obey Allah, He would be happy with you and not let you burn in hellfire. My mother was afraid of Allah and also of her own father. He would threaten her with grave consequences if she didn't wear the burqa. She was also afraid of the men in the neighbourhood, who could have shamed her. Even her husband was a source of fear, for he could do anything to her if she disobeyed him.
As a young girl, I used to nag her: Ma, don't you suffocate in this veil? Don't you feel all dark inside? Don't you feel breathless? Don't you feel angry? Don't you ever feel like throwing it off? My mother kept mum. She couldn't do anything about it. But I did. When I was sixteen, I was presented a burqa by one of my relatives. I threw it away.
No i shouldn't, i'm doing you a favor by repeating myself. When i should simply be telling you to go back and read my posts more carefully.
i asked so because there is contradicting posts from you, so asked for confirmation.
Yes wearing whatever by force does indeed involve oppression.
hence burqa is oppression, since they believe islam insists wearing burka is necessary, or would be taken to hell fire, so they are forced to wear. While all these believes are just baseless, thats why we see only muslims wear burqa.
When you force the ones who willingly wear it, to take it of, that too is oppression.
Have you grasped it yet? Lifting oppression from some by oppressing others is not a solution.
actually they are helped from self-oppression based on misunderstanding of faith. If you still call that is an oppression, you should also call ban on sati by indian government is an oppression, still in some places, there are women who are willing to practice sati. Sati is a practice evolved out of misunderstanding.
None of them, you should explain it how.....
Latest victim of Burkha -
Forced to wear burqa, teacher quits
badran, simply adding a question more, what is your stance in banning dowry system if it is practically possible?
. But the French Maid is a good one. :yes:
