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Nothing from nothing, Can this really happen from a Christian Perspective

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
As there is no where in the bible saying that God is All knowing ( omniscient)
Psalm 147:4-5
4 He counts the number of the stars;
He calls them all by name.
5 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power;
His understanding is infinite.

Here they don't use the word "Omniscient" but the descriptions comes close
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Psalm 147:4-5
4 He counts the number of the stars;
He calls them all by name.
5 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power;
His understanding is infinite.

Here they don't use the word "Omniscient" but the descriptions comes close

Nope not at all. As "Omniscient" means
all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing.

For this to be true, Then why didn't God know that the Arch-Angel Lucifer
alas ( Satan)
Was going to Rebel against him

According to the bible/ scriptures, God didn't know the Arch-Angel Lucifer was going to Rebel against him beforehand.
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Psalm 147:4-5
4 He counts the number of the stars;
He calls them all by name.
5 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power;
His understanding is infinite.

Here they don't use the word "Omniscient" but the descriptions comes close

Nope not at all. As "Omniscient" means
all-knowing, all-wise, all-seeing.

I said "Infinite understanding" comes close to Omniscient
And being able to count all the stars by name comes also close to Omniscient
Your reply "Nope not at all" is in this context exaggeration

And for your examples
The Bible again is full of inconsistencies
Hence I do not follow the Bible blind
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I said "Infinite understanding" comes close to Omniscient
And being able to count all the stars by name the same
Your reply "Nope not at all" is in this context exaggeration

And for your examples
The Bible again is full of inconsistencies
Hence I do not follow the Bible blind

The bible is not full of inconsistencies.

It's people who doesn't have the understanding or knowledge of what the bible does say and confirms.

But if you have something to show a inconsistencies in the bible, go for it.
Let's see what you got
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Now according to man's teachings,
God is All Knowing.

For this to be true, Then why didn't God know that the Arch-Angel Lucifer
Alas Satan, was going to Rebell against him.

But according to the bible/scriptures, God didn't know.
So the question is, how is this to work.
For God to be All Knowing, But yet didn't know that the Arch-Angel Lucifer was going to Rebell against him?
Well, maybe [he] knew and set a murderous trap for the rebels.

Maybe [he]'s omnipotent but not very bright so it hasn't occurred to [him] to make [him]self omniscient or perfect.

Maybe [he]'s not omnipotent in the first place.

Or maybe there are as many versions of God as people to imagine them and everyone's God is different, so here God's deficiencies are a local problem.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
The bible is not full of inconsistencies.
It's people who doesn't have the understanding or knowledge of what the bible does say and confirms.
But if you have something to show a inconsistencies in the bible, go for it.
Let's see what you got

I just gave an inconsistency (in the previous reply) but you ignored it
If you don't want to see inconsistencies then no use I show them to you
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I just gave an inconsistency (in the previous reply) but you ignored it
If you don't want to see inconsistencies then no use I show them to you


There is no inconsistencies, It's people who have no understanding or knowledge
What the bible actually does say and confirms.

Had you backup to the beginning of
Psalm 147 and pick up what the subject and article is about.

Then read down to Psalm 147:5
"Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite"

the Lord's understanding is infinite, meaning limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.

Like that of Albert Einstein back during his time, his understanding of molecules of the Atom was infinite ( limitless) doesn't mean Albert Einstein was all knowing.
Just his understanding and knowledge of the molecules of the Atom was limitless
during his time.

Therefore as Psalm 147:5, clearly states,
( Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite)

Which means the Lord's understanding of the Stars, Universe, surpasses our understanding or knowledge of the Stars and Universe. The Lord's understanding of the Stars,Universe, are limitless.

Like that of Albert Einstein understanding of the Atom was limitless.

Which has nothing to do with being all knowing, Not in the context of knowing all things before they happened.

So there are no inconsistencies in the bible,
The only inconsistencies there is, Is when people have no clue or idea what the bible does say and confirms.
Which people go about cherry picking verse that suits their agenda.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
So there are no inconsistencies in the bible,
The only inconsistencies there is, Is when people have no clue or idea what the bible does say and confirms.
Which people go about cherry picking verse that suits their agenda.

You are also a human. So you can be wrong as well (in interpreting the Bible verses).

You say there are no inconsistencies in the Bible. This in itself means that you are "almost omniscient"

Your claim means or implies:
a) You are perfect in grammer etc. (1 letter wrong gives a complete different meaning)
b) You know "everything" about all Bibles (also in original language; knowing every word/meaning)
c) You have cross referenced every word in the Bible on inconsistencies (also in original translations)

If a, b or c does not apply to you, then your claim means nothing. Just big talk.

As for point a): You are not perfect in english grammer I have seen (neither am I, but I admit this)

I know from the Bible that the ones of wisdom became humble, saying " “the more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know”. I love this kind of humility much better than someone claiming to know everything.

I would never make such a claim. The reason is more than obvious I think.
Such a claim feels very arrogant to me, as if you are "all knowing"

If you would have said "I believe there are no inconsistencies", I would not have written the above.

To claim "the Bible has an inconsistency" is relative easy to make ... 1 inconsistency is enough
To claim "the Bible has no inconsistencies" is impossible to make, unless you are kind of Omniscient
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You are also a human. So you can be wrong as well (in interpreting the Bible verses).

You say there are no inconsistencies in the Bible. This in itself means that you are "almost omniscient"

Your claim means or implies:
a) You are perfect in grammer etc. (1 letter wrong gives a complete different meaning)
b) You know "everything" about all Bibles (also in original language; knowing every word/meaning)
c) You have cross referenced every word in the Bible on inconsistencies (also in original translations)

If a, b or c does not apply to you, then your claim means nothing. Just big talk.

As for point a): You are not perfect in english grammer I have seen (neither am I, but I admit this)

I know from the Bible that the ones of wisdom became humble, saying " “the more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know”. I love this kind of humility much better than someone claiming to know everything.

I would never make such a claim. The reason is more than obvious I think.
Such a claim feels very arrogant to me, as if you are "all knowing"

If you would have said "I believe there are no inconsistencies", I would not have written the above.

To claim "the Bible has an inconsistency" is relative easy to make ... 1 inconsistency is enough
To claim "the Bible has no inconsistencies" is impossible to make, unless you are kind of Omniscient


Nope at all do I go about giving my interpretation of the bible.

I just read, study the Bible as it is, without any interpretations.

Seeing how it is written in the bible in the book of 2 Peter 1:20--"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation"

Therefore why would i want to give my interpretation knowing that there is no private interpretation.

Therefore I read the as it is written, without any interpretations. Just reading the as it is written.
 
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