1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured Not as Good as They Claim

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    23,306
    Ratings:
    +8,067
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Not every religion or denomination is doing the right thing in everyone's eyes. In fact, some religions and denominations are considered to be doing wrong; hurting or disrupting the good of individuals, the community in which they are a member, be it a small town or the country as a whole, or all of mankind.

    If you have any candidates please share, and exactly what you think they're doing wrong.

    .
     
  2. ADigitalArtist

    ADigitalArtist Well-Known Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2015
    Messages:
    5,248
    Ratings:
    +5,681
    Religion:
    Irreligious Agnostic Atheistic Apatheist
    Not that I think atheism is a religion or religious denomination (though I think atheistic religions do exist) I see groups like atheism+ and antitheists as making religion an easy polarizing hot topic us vs them which destroys healthy conversaions about religions and replaces it with 'more logical than thou' 'more moral than thou' stand ins, which I believe are ultimately unproductive. This kind of environment is especially unique to the US. Other countries predominantly more Christian with less separation still managed the more secular humanist policies earlier than we did without barking on about separation of church and state. Which makes me think the barking isn't helping.

    I'd like to see more atheist groups, such as they are, focus more on humanitarianism than being the informal ACLU of church policing.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  3. suncowiam

    suncowiam Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2014
    Messages:
    5,273
    Ratings:
    +2,089

    What's wrong with "more logical than thou?" Is there a situation where we should not use logic? Not suggesting anything in comparison between atheists and theists. Just focusing on that statement.

    The other stuff I can agree with.
     
  4. ADigitalArtist

    ADigitalArtist Well-Known Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2015
    Messages:
    5,248
    Ratings:
    +5,681
    Religion:
    Irreligious Agnostic Atheistic Apatheist
    Imo the problem isn't with trying to be logical, it's the labeling of positions as default illogical as an attempt to demean people. 'Theists are illogical' is a resounding cry coming up from my camp and it's worrisome, not because talking about logic isn't a worthy goal, but because the way it's phrased guarantees no productive conversations are going to actually happen.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  5. idav

    idav Being
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2011
    Messages:
    18,937
    Ratings:
    +3,269
    Religion:
    Pantheist
    One place I see a claim that religion is doing wrong is really for those specific types that reject science without a second thought. That isn't really specific religions, those individuals exists in every religion and denomination. However Buddhism and Judaism tend to have the highest percentages, about 90 percent believers in evolution so I gather those religions must be doing something right.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Gerry

    Gerry Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2017
    Messages:
    853
    Ratings:
    +490
    Religion:
    Connected to the vine.
    Pretty easy one for me.
    If it’s a religion, it becomes a candidate. They all oppress people in one way or another.
    At least you don’t have as many openly murdering others today.
    However, they make good social clubs. If they stuck to that they would be OK.
     
  7. sayak83

    sayak83 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    7,763
    Ratings:
    +7,042
    Religion:
    Pluralist Hindu
    In India, politicians of all hues are hell bent on using religion and caste based identity politics to polarize people and to divert from their own corrupt incompetence. The tie up of religion with narrow nationalism and identity politics is the major problem I see with religion in India. Also the increasing tendency of some Hindu gurus to develop personality cults around themselves.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. sun rise

    sun rise "Love pours forth from the heart of the universe."
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2014
    Messages:
    27,032
    Ratings:
    +9,739
    Religion:
    Love
    There are some obvious ones: Westboro Baptist Church which preaches hatred. Wahhabi Muslims are another because they want to force people backwards toward a dead ideal. There are many others of that ilk in the major religions.
     
  9. Gerry

    Gerry Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2017
    Messages:
    853
    Ratings:
    +490
    Religion:
    Connected to the vine.
    Whoa.
    I just looked up Westboro.
    How can that exist?
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  10. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    37,367
    Ratings:
    +2,660
    suicide bombers......the ultimate believer

    really?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    18,230
    Ratings:
    +6,259
    Religion:
    Zen Buddhism
    It was a real eye-opener when the day came that I suddenly realized that India isn't the worldwide spiritual superpower I thought it once was. A real shame yet
    sobering.
     
  12. sayak83

    sayak83 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    7,763
    Ratings:
    +7,042
    Religion:
    Pluralist Hindu
    Well, when I came to US, I was also kind of hoping that every town and city would be dotted with agora-s where educated citizens will be having lively Socratic discussions on philosophy, ethics, economics and science - quoting and analyzing the works of James, Dewey, Rawls, Aurelius, Descartes, Cantor, Einstein and Feynman. I could not quite believe that 700 years after the Renaissance and 300 years after enlightenment, and with the immense material wealth and libraries and worldwide communication facilities that has been available since the industrial revolution... the Western society as a whole has not been able to advance the general level of thought to the point of its leading thinkers of many centuries ago.

    To say I have been disappointed would be an understatement. Oh well.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  13. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity simple man
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    21,449
    Ratings:
    +5,916
    Religion:
    Liberal Christian almost quaker
    Open Source. Sadly its a poor stand in for Free Software, but it gets the limelight. Sure its not officially a religion and doesn't provide an entire way of life, but its religious.
     
  14. savagewind

    savagewind Something, not nothing
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2012
    Messages:
    35,300
    Ratings:
    +3,744
    Religion:
    Guess
    The Jehovah's Witnesses. They are supposedly coming after everyone who is wrong and showing truth seekers what is right. They are wrong in that they are just like everyone else. Everyone else clings to tradition and so do they.
     
  15. sayak83

    sayak83 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    7,763
    Ratings:
    +7,042
    Religion:
    Pluralist Hindu
    I like OpenOffice. Linux is also good.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  16. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    23,306
    Ratings:
    +8,067
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    Is this a subversion of the religion by its followers, or the appropriation of the religion's structure by politicians?

    .
     
  17. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    23,306
    Ratings:
    +8,067
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    And I'm sure that the atheist may well feel that theists,Christians for the most part, are making non-belief an easy polarizing topic by the continued public display of their faith: hundreds of thousands of churches, Christian TV shows, Christian holidays, etc.

    Should we assume you have a problem with the enforcement of the First Amendment? That when an asserted violation pops up it's better to ignore it?

    .
     
  18. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    23,306
    Ratings:
    +8,067
    Religion:
    Agnostic
    The rejection of some science by some Christians is indeed troubling, especially where it involves the education of children.

    .
    .
     
  19. sayak83

    sayak83 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    7,763
    Ratings:
    +7,042
    Religion:
    Pluralist Hindu
    It's primarily an exploitation of religious illiteracy by hypocritical people for power and influence. Nothing new there.
     
  20. ADigitalArtist

    ADigitalArtist Well-Known Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2015
    Messages:
    5,248
    Ratings:
    +5,681
    Religion:
    Irreligious Agnostic Atheistic Apatheist
    Your first statement seems at odds with the second. If there is many times more Christians than there are atheists, then of course there's going to be many churches and other places of gathering and media for Christians. This should come as no surprise to the atheist nor should they chafe at it. The UK and Scandanavia has thousands of churches, religious books, religious schools, religious media, religious public displays on public land no less, yet they still mange to work together with atheists and make a more secular environment than we have anyway. How has quibbling over that cross display helped us?
    Certainly going on about how Christians are anti-intellectual or anti-science hasn't. And that is a significant chunk if not the majority of threads I come across by atheist about Christians.
     
Loading...