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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Truth in love, Sep 21, 2022.

  1. Truth in love

    Truth in love Well-Known Member

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    I see people claiming to be Christian who want homosexual behavior to not be a sin
    My Bible says:

    Thou shalt not lie with mankind … it is abomination, Lev. 18:22 (20:13).
    There shall be no … sodomite of the sons of Israel, Deut. 23:17.
    declare their sin as Sodom, Isa. 3:9
    men … burned in their lust one toward another, Rom. 1:27.
    nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Cor. 6:9.
    them that defile themselves with mankind, 1 Tim. 1:10.
    as Sodom and Gomorrha … going after strange flesh, Jude 1:7.

    Now I’m not calling for violence or mistreatment of anyone, but I am challenging those preaching this “other gospel” When did God change His mind on this being a sin?
     
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    I have no great interest in arguing the Bible from a Christian perspective because I'm not one and I don't really care about its moral values. However since it's here, and its such a common and frightfully low effort argument, a couple things:

    Levitical law doesn't apply to Christians today, the abomination of shellfish is no more or less relevent. Also there are plenty of both Christians and Jewish scholars who implore people to look at those verses with the rest of the chapter for context, since it is often talking about temple prostitution and pedastry, not everyday relationships. Things that actually contrasted against other local religious customs and practices.

    Similarly 'strange flesh' isn't male flesh, and certainly not a consensual relationship between two same sexed individuals. But a mob trying to rape two angels. Comparing that to a consensual loving homosexual relationship is monstrous.

    Edit: if you actually want reasons and perspective from LGBT friendly Christians there are resources like this to be had leviticus Archives | Bible and Homosexuality
    Homosexuality: Not a Sin, Not a Sickness Part II "What The Bible Does and Does Not Say..." | Religious Institute
     
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    The thing is the Bible authors knew so little about our world. Why should we go by outdated information?
     
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  4. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    I'm already going to hell - or so they tell me - for being a transsexual so being gay or bi is "whatever" to me. :rolleyes: I've grown up around gays and lesbians so it's really just as normal to me as heterosexuality. You just like a person. I still love God and He loves me. It's between Him and I. The early Church welcomed the Ethiopian eunuch, after all.
     
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    Your question is laden with the assumption that God ever thought this was a sin as opposed to the fallible mortals that assumed for themselves the right to speak on God's behalf.

    In my opinion
     
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    So you don't think bigotry is a sin?
     
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  7. Truth in love

    Truth in love Well-Known Member

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    It’s direction from God. Whatever a given prophet did or did not know, God knows it all.
     
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    I seen many dismiss what the Bible says. That’s nothing new. My challenge is to show when it changed.
     
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    The bible also condemns eating pork or shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics, rotating crops, talking to mistreating women, working on the sabbath, getting haircuts, etc.

    It also commands rape victims to marry their assailant, give instructions on how to beat slaves and how to sell ones own daughter into slavery.
     
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    It’s not the point, Did God change what is or is not a sin?
     
  11. Father Heathen

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    Anyone can put words in gods mouth. Other religions/holy books presume to speak for god as well, but they obviously can't all be right, and I imagine that you reject their claims. The question is, what makes yours more trustworthy?
     
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    There are lots of religions.

    • IMO.. Either one is right and the rest are wrong or they all just have a piece of the puzzle, or they are all wrong.
     
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    The New Testament has a vastly different God than the Old Testament. Obviously humans get to decide what the truth is in regards to the Bible, so the best advice I ever saw someone give is "Try not to be a jerk when you interpret the Bible."
     
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    The Bible never says it's a sin to love someone. God never did, either. David and Jonathan certainly seemed to have a love that bordered on the homoerotic, at the very least. Indeed, it was described as "surpassing the love of women" (2 Samuel 1:26). Do I think they had sex or whatever? No. But they certainly seemed to have deep affections for each other that aren't shameful.
     
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    ...and do so with a generous pinch of salt, if I may add.
     
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    The question is when did this proposed god being ever state that anything is a sin? All you've got is an old book filled with what fallible humans beings have claimed this god being considers to be sinful. Until this god being makes some sort of an effort to clarify its position, it's silly to consider anything to be a sin.
     
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    I fully agree with you, and find the notion of adhering to what you like while discarding the rest to be bizarre and questionable as to why you even claim to follow the religion in the first place.
    And, do keep your opposition up and don't falter or fail. As smile whole time as the prejudice towards LGBT does what I find to be a great thing, and this is people leaving the church.
     
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    Being trans is why the whole gay and straight thing is dumb. I've had sex with men and women. Parts, feelings, actions, I have better things to figure out how it all works so can I just be human on this one?
     
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    "Being trans is why the whole gay and straight thing is dumb."

    What does that even mean?

    "I've had sex with men and women".

    So you're bisexual?
     
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    What do you mean when you say other gospel?
     
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