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Norse Mythology debunks the Bible

Magus

Active Member
In Norse mythology, Thor slew Geirrod, the Ice Giant, but that sounds awfully
similar to the story of David slewing Goliath .

A. Thor slew Geirrod
B. David slew Goliath

Goliath is related to the Arabic word Jalid, that means Ice, גליד (Glid ) is the modern Hebrew word for Ice-Cream and in Aramaic גלידא (Glida) means Ice.

Niflheim is the abode of Mist in Norse mythology, that is where the giants are formed.

Cognates of Niflheim
νεφέλη ( Nephele ) - Cloud
νέφος ( Nephos ) - Cloud
נָפַח ( Nephah ) - gush of air , breath
נָפַל ( Naphal ) - Fall down
נָפִיל ( Nephilim ) - Fall down / Giants

Num 13:33
We saw the giants(Nephele), the sons of Anak
and they were like Grasshopers
Josh 14:15 - Arba father of Anak

Cognates of Anak
נָשִׂיא ( Nasiy ) - vapours / chief / top
ἀνάγω ( Anago ) - lead up
עֲנָק ( Anak ) - neck
Cnoch - Hills
עֲנָק ends with Qoph , thus Anak > Anap > Nephos ( Cloud )

Grasshopper
חָגָב khä·gäv' * Grasshopper/Locust
חֲגָו khag·äv *Clefts/Covering
Gk 'σκέπη' Skhepe * Covering ( In snow )

Exodus 10:19
LORD turned a mighty strong west(YM) wind, which took away the locusts (אַרְבֶּה 'arbeh) cast them /fell/ into the Red sea there remained not one locust (khag·äv )

Red Sea
the reason for that name is because, the Hebrew word 'יָם' ( YM) is cognate with the Gk αἷμα (Aima) ' blood ' and αἱμάς (Aimas) 'stream of blood ' then יָם is just a dialectic form of דָּם ( Blood ) , that forms the name אָדַם (Red ) so the 'Red' came from יָם , not סוּף .

Exodus 4:9 - The river shall become blood upon the dry land
Amos 5:8 - waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth
Amos 9:6 - Waters of Eden that pour upon the face of the earth '
Gen 2:10 - 'blood/fire brand went forth out of Edem to water the gardens '

Hermon has seasonal winter and spring snow falls, which cover all three of its peaks for most of the year. Melt-water from the snow-covered mountain's western and southern bases seeps into the rock channels and pores, feeding springs at the base of the mountain, which form streams and rivers. These merge to become the Jordan River. Additionally, the runoff facilitates fertile plant life below the snow line, where vineyards and pine, oak, and poplar trees are abundant

Nah 1:5
The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned

Psa 104:3
Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind, Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

The Sun, envisioned as a flaming Chariot , the heat plunges into Mount Hermon, the snow melts
and feeds the rivers of Jordan, that is the origin of the myth of Eridanos

Eridanus is connected to the myth of Phaethon, who took over the reins of his father Helios' sky chariot (i.e., the Sun), but didn't have the strength to control it and so veered wildly in different directions, scorching both Earth and heaven.

That is why the Chariots were plunged into the Red Sea .

Deu 11:4
And what he did unto the army of Egypt, unto their horses, and to their chariots; how he made the water of the Red ( cuwph) sea to overflow (tsuwph)

Jordan & Red Sea interchange
Jos 5:1 - the LORD had dried up the waters of Jordan
Jos 2:10 - the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea
Jos 3:17 - LORD stood firm on dry ground in the midst of Jordan
Exodus 4:9 - The river shall become blood upon the dry land.

Judges 5:5 ( The snow of Sinai melted )
The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel.

Numbers 12:10 (Snow cloud )
And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous
white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

Exodus 4:6-7 ( The Snow from heaven )
He put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.

Job 24:19 ( fire burnt the snow)
Drought and heat consume the snow waters

Isa 55:10 ( Snow watered the Earth )
For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth

2Ki 2:21-2 ( Salt melts snow )
And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there
So the waters were healed unto this day

2Ki 2:8 ( Elijah/Helios smote the Waters)
And he took the mantle of Elijah(addereth) that fell from him, and smote the waters

Flaming Chariot, Cherub or Phoenix melts the snow of Mount Hermon
feeding the rivers. The Mythical Phoenix is named for Phoenicia that is Lebanon
the Land of the Snow capped Mountains.

How did Jesus move mountains?
Thom 48 - they will say to the mountain, 'Move Away,' and it will move away."

Mic 1:4 ( the melting snow of Mount Hermon )
And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft
as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place

Judges 5:5 ' Sinai melted '
Micah 1:4 ' mountains shall be molten'
Amos 9:13 'the hill melted '
Nahum 1:5 ' the hill melted'
Psalms 68:8 ' Sinai moved


Norse blood-flood story
During the time of the creation of the universe, there were 2 distinct worlds: the lands of fire (Muspelheim) and ice (Niflheim). As eons passed the lands of fire and ice eventually came in contact with each other. As the freezing waters of Niflheim fell, they mixed with the ash and clay of Muspellheim and forming the body of a giant. This giant lay prone and unconscious for many eons, unfeeling and unmoving. Its name was Ymir, the first of the mountain giants (jotuns). Overtime Ymir turned evil. After a long struggle, finally the three young gods: Villi, Ve and Odin killed Ymir. When Ymir fell the blood from his wounds poured forth. Ymir's blood drowned almost the entire tribe of jotuns. Only 2 jotuns survived the flood of Ymir's blood, by building an ark, one was Ymir's grandson Bergelmir and the other his wife. Bergelmir and his wife brought forth new families of jotuns.

Ice-Giants were the cause of Noah's Flood * Genesis 6:4
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
In Norse mythology, Thor slew Geirrod, the Ice Giant, but that sounds awfully
similar to the story of David slewing Goliath .

A. Thor slew Geirrod
B. David slew Goliath

Goliath is related to the Arabic word Jalid, that means Ice, גליד (Glid ) is the modern Hebrew word for Ice-Cream

Never mind Thor, I wouldn't mind slaying some ice cream...
 

Liu

Well-Known Member
I wish people would first look up what a cognate actually is before making any claims like this (just a hint - for words to be cognate, they need to go back to the same word, which in most cases means that also the languages in question must belong to the same language family.)

And lol, why the hell would the blood of Ymir refer to Noah's flood? Ymir's blood (and other body parts) is what the world was created of, i.e. that happens during creation. Noah's flood is many generations later.

If you wanna debunk anything (even something as easily debunkable as the bible), you should use arguments that are not as easily debunkable themselves.
 

Magus

Active Member
I wish people would first look up what a cognate actually is before making any claims like this (just a hint - for words to be cognate, they need to go back to the same word, which in most cases means that also the languages in question must belong to the same language family.)

And lol, why the hell would the blood of Ymir refer to Noah's flood? Ymir's blood (and other body parts) is what the world was created of, i.e. that happens during creation. Noah's flood is many generations later.

If you wanna debunk anything (even something as easily debunkable as the bible), you should use arguments that are not as easily debunkable themselves.

The Hebrew word for blood is דָּם ( Dam ) יָם ( Yam ) means Sea, Greek word for Blood is αἷμα (Aima ) and αἱμάς (Aimas) means Stream of Blood

Ymir is rather similar too יָם or יְאֹר דָּם

It is not referring to literal blood, but in an earthly context, by envisioning the streams that pour
out of Hermon, as blood vessels, feeding the rivers of the Levant thus that whole area
was known as Edem or Jordan (יְאֹר דָּם )
 
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Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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Premium Member
Its a little confusing Magus, but the plots in the Bible are plainly derived from other works. Its not a secret. Works were taken and made better. For example, the flood story in the Bible is about peace. The Babylonian version is about war and the glory of fighting. For a long time people forgot about it, but it was not secret. The more obvious ones are the references to Egypt and its culture, which for a very long time, ages and ages, would have been obvious to anyone who was educated enough to do business and breathe. Its only in relatively modern times that the Bible has appeared to be a monolith from nowhere. In fact is it a terrific work that envisions a better world than the one in which it is written, and so it takes popular warlike and oppressive themes and transforms them. I'm am pretty sure it is a tool to free not just bodies but minds.
 

Magus

Active Member
Flood stories were never about war or peace , always fertility , when it floods, those waters eventually dry up and what is left behind is fertilises soil , it's a renewal , people seems to forget
that Fertility is the heart of all mythologies.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

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In fact is it a terrific work that envisions a better world than the one in which it is written, and so it takes popular warlike and oppressive themes and transforms them. I'm am pretty sure it is a tool to free not just bodies but minds.
It's not the only texts to envision multiple versions of this world, though. Any cyclical mythology has it. And the world ends via both natural disasters AND lots and lots of wars, so ... huh?
 

Brickjectivity

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Premium Member
It's not the only texts to envision multiple versions of this world, though. Any cyclical mythology has it. And the world ends via both natural disasters AND lots and lots of wars, so ... huh?
I'm not that familiar with various mythologies, but the Babylonian and Egyptian ones worshiped oppression and class distinction. That is what I gather. So these Biblical wars can be taken as the suggestion to fight but only if you remove them from their culture and place them into a foreign language as a text for living in isolation from that culture. You could do the same with Homer's Odyssey and decide based on it that life is all about roaming around on ships away from your family. The actual story of Homer's Odyssey is not about that. That is the plot and not the lesson.
 

blü 2

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Premium Member
Goliath is related to the Arabic word Jalid, that means Ice, גליד (Glid ) is the modern Hebrew word for Ice-Cream and in Aramaic גלידא (Glida) means Ice.
All the authorities I can find relate the name 'Goliath' to the Hebrew verb 'gala' which has two meanings ─ 'to reveal, uncover', and 'to go into exile, to be exiled'.

What authority are you relying on for your 'ice' claim? Other than your own?
 
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Magus

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All the authorities I can find relate the name 'Goliath' to the Hebrew verb 'gala' which has two meanings ─ 'to reveal, uncover', and 'to go into exile, to be exiled'.

What authority are you relying on for your 'ice' claim? Other than your own?

Here is my linguistic research.

The Hebrew word for frost or ice is קֶרַח ( Qerakh ) , in Greek that is κρύστ- (Crystal) and this word became ' Fryst ' ( קְ > F ) , thus the English words 'Frost, Frozen and Freeze' , the dialectic shift can be seen in another Hebrew word meaning Frost, that is כְּפוֹר ( Kfor ) ' KF > K , as in Frost and Frozen and 'Crust, meaning 'Skin because snow covers the land in a white skin , the Hebrew word for Skin is גֶּלֶד ( GLD ) , גליד ( GLID ) is the Hebrew word for Ice Cream , Aramaic ' גלידא' (GLIDA ) means Ice , which as a glass-like appearance thus the Hebrew word for Glass is 'גִּלָּיוֹן (GLIUN ) near identical to the Greek word meaning Glass that is ὑάλινος (YALINOS) , because Ice is shiny and glittery (GLIT) thus became the word GOLD , the Hebrew word for gold is חָרוּץ (KRUTS) as in קֶרַח (QRKH) as in the Greek word for gold χρυσός (KRUSOS) ' and because Ice freezes גליד (GLID), we put hair JEL on our Hair, to freeze it up, thus the Arabic word for Ice is Jalid, as in the Latin word for Ice 'Gelu, alike the Greek word for Glass ύαλος (Yalos) as well as words Jelly or Jello

The Greek word for Snow , that is χιών KHION, as a locative noun it is χιώνὼν KHIONON and that is the origin of the name KNON כְּנַעַן that is also written QINI קֵינִי and QINIZ קְנִזִּי the Hebrew letter קֵ is called Qoph, that is Q and PH, because the Hebrew letter קֵ became the Gk letter PHI and so the name QINI or QINIZ in Gk became PHINI of PHINIZ that is φοίνικ 'Pheonic and thus the Greeks called them Phoenicians and also Lebanese, named for the white capped Mountains or as in the name Khonon ( כְּנַעַן) after the Snow capped mountains.

Gen 31:25 - Laban with his brethren pitched in the mount of Gilead ( Mountain of Snow )
 

Magus

Active Member
So, your own authority. Good luck with that.

If i was discussing English, Greek or Latin words , they be no issue, does Hebrew bother you,
that language is chained down in a theological prison, it's the 'language of god', it's can't have words from other language in it.

If i have evidence to back my claim , what is the issue?
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
If i have evidence to back my claim , what is the issue?
The thing is....

In Norse mythology, Thor slew Geirrod, the Ice Giant, but that sounds awfully
similar to the story of David slewing Goliath .

A. Thor slew Geirrod
B. David slew Goliath

Goliath is related to the Arabic word Jalid, that means Ice, גליד (Glid ) is the modern Hebrew word for Ice-Cream and in Aramaic גלידא (Glida) means Ice.

No, Goliath is not related to Galid. They are two different roots and spelled differently. The former's root is GLH (it loses the H through grammatical rules), the latter is GLD. GLH means to either reveal or to exile. In Hebrew, GLD means to coagulate.

Niflheim is the abode of Mist in Norse mythology, that is where the giants are formed.

Cognates of Niflheim
νεφέλη ( Nephele ) - Cloud
νέφος ( Nephos ) - Cloud
נָפַח ( Nephah ) - gush of air , breath
נָפַל ( Naphal ) - Fall down
נָפִיל ( Nephilim ) - Fall down / Giants
נפיל doesn't mean giant. The root means to fall. The people called Nephilim are called that because they cause the people around them to fall.

Num 13:33
We saw the giants(Nephele), the sons of Anak
and they were like Grasshopers
Josh 14:15 - Arba father of Anak

Cognates of Anak
נָשִׂיא ( Nasiy ) - vapours / chief / top
ἀνάγω ( Anago ) - lead up
עֲנָק ( Anak ) - neck
Cnoch - Hills
עֲנָק ends with Qoph , thus Anak > Anap > Nephos ( Cloud )
נשיא is not a cognate of ענק. The former comes from the root נשא which means to pick up or carry. From there it becomes chief/prince because he is raised up above the people. The latter means very large.

ענק doesn't mean neck. Neck is צוואר, the nape is עורף.

There is no relation between the Qoph and the P.

Grasshopper
חָגָב khä·gäv' * Grasshopper/Locust
חֲגָו khag·äv *Clefts/Covering
Gk 'σκέπη' Skhepe * Covering ( In snow )
You may not know this, but the first one is ḥagav, the second one is ḥagaw. I know that they are often transliterated the same, as here, but that is because of the modern pronunciation of the letter waw, now called vav.

Exodus 10:19
LORD turned a mighty strong west(YM) wind, which took away the locusts (אַרְבֶּה 'arbeh) cast them /fell/ into the Red sea there remained not one locust (khag·äv )

Red Sea
the reason for that name is because, the Hebrew word 'יָם' ( YM) is cognate with the Gk αἷμα (Aima) ' blood ' and αἱμάς (Aimas) 'stream of blood ' then יָם is just a dialectic form of דָּם ( Blood ) , that forms the name אָדַם (Red ) so the 'Red' came from יָם , not סוּף .
No, yam (sea) has nothing to do with dam (blood). In Hebrew yam suf means 'sea [of] reed'. Suf being reed. The Reed Sea became the Red Sea through an error.

Exodus 4:9 - The river shall become blood upon the dry land
Amos 5:8 - waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth
Amos 9:6 - Waters of Eden that pour upon the face of the earth '
Gen 2:10 - 'blood/fire brand went forth out of Edem to water the gardens '
No, its a river, not fire. Blood is also not a cognate of fire.

Hermon has seasonal winter and spring snow falls, which cover all three of its peaks for most of the year. Melt-water from the snow-covered mountain's western and southern bases seeps into the rock channels and pores, feeding springs at the base of the mountain, which form streams and rivers. These merge to become the Jordan River. Additionally, the runoff facilitates fertile plant life below the snow line, where vineyards and pine, oak, and poplar trees are abundant

Nah 1:5
The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned

Psa 104:3
Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind, Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

The Sun, envisioned as a flaming Chariot , the heat plunges into Mount Hermon, the snow melts
and feeds the rivers of Jordan, that is the origin of the myth of Eridanos

Eridanus is connected to the myth of Phaethon, who took over the reins of his father Helios' sky chariot (i.e., the Sun), but didn't have the strength to control it and so veered wildly in different directions, scorching both Earth and heaven.
I'm guessing you were raised Christian, since I notice you take verses out of context to feed a fabricated narrative.
Its not the sun being discussed here. It's G-d.
Contextually, the verse in Nahum is talking about how when G-d gets angry, there is destruction and all these images that evoke feelings of fear.
The second verse is using flowery language to describe G-d's having created the world: The 'upper waters' are compared to rafters, there's clouds that move by the wind, there's wind and fire, the land and the depths.

None of this has to do with melting snow on Mt. Hermon.


That is why the Chariots were plunged into the Red Sea .

Deu 11:4
And what he did unto the army of Egypt, unto their horses, and to their chariots; how he made the water of the Red ( cuwph) sea to overflow (tsuwph)
Suf is reed. Tzaf (the root of the word hetzif which is used here) is float.

The chariots were plunged into the sea, because the Jews crossed it when the Egyptians were chasing them on their chariots. You'll recall that the sea was split for the crossing and then returned to its normal state as the Egyptians entered it, drowning them. The water 'floated' above their heads.

Jordan & Red Sea interchange
Jos 5:1 - the LORD had dried up the waters of Jordan
Jos 2:10 - the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea
Jos 3:17 - LORD stood firm on dry ground in the midst of Jordan
Exodus 4:9 - The river shall become blood upon the dry land.
This is not an interchange. The Red Sea was split during Moses' time. The Jordan was split during Joshua's time.

Judges 5:5 ( The snow of Sinai melted )
The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel.
That's not what it says.

Numbers 12:10 (Snow cloud )
And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous
white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.
The snow here is being used as an analogy. The cloud is literal. This is not a snow cloud.

Exodus 4:6-7 ( The Snow from heaven )
He put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.
Snow from bosom really. But even still, again, snow is being used as an analogy to describe the color of the disease.

Job 24:19 ( fire burnt the snow)
Drought and heat consume the snow waters
Fire doesn't burn snow. The word being translated as "consume" is literally "steals".

Isa 55:10 ( Snow watered the Earth )
For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth
+1 Finally!

2Ki 2:21-2 ( Salt melts snow )
And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there
So the waters were healed unto this day
No where in this verse does it mention snow. It says the water was bad, not that the water was frozen.

2Ki 2:8 ( Elijah/Helios smote the Waters)
And he took the mantle of Elijah(addereth) that fell from him, and smote the waters
+1 You're on a roll!

Flaming Chariot, Cherub or Phoenix melts the snow of Mount Hermon
feeding the rivers. The Mythical Phoenix is named for Phoenicia that is Lebanon
the Land of the Snow capped Mountains.
Is this meant to be a humorous interlude?

Mic 1:4 ( the melting snow of Mount Hermon )
And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft
as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place
Again, nothing to do with snow. Contextually its talking about G-d metaphorically going out to punish Israel and the imagery is meant to evoke destruction and fear. Same like the other time.

Judges 5:5 ' Sinai melted '
Micah 1:4 ' mountains shall be molten'
Amos 9:13 'the hill melted '
Nahum 1:5 ' the hill melted'
Psalms 68:8 ' Sinai moved
Let's not do this again.

Norse blood-flood story
During the time of the creation of the universe, there were 2 distinct worlds: the lands of fire (Muspelheim) and ice (Niflheim). As eons passed the lands of fire and ice eventually came in contact with each other. As the freezing waters of Niflheim fell, they mixed with the ash and clay of Muspellheim and forming the body of a giant. This giant lay prone and unconscious for many eons, unfeeling and unmoving. Its name was Ymir, the first of the mountain giants (jotuns). Overtime Ymir turned evil. After a long struggle, finally the three young gods: Villi, Ve and Odin killed Ymir. When Ymir fell the blood from his wounds poured forth. Ymir's blood drowned almost the entire tribe of jotuns. Only 2 jotuns survived the flood of Ymir's blood, by building an ark, one was Ymir's grandson Bergelmir and the other his wife. Bergelmir and his wife brought forth new families of jotuns.
Cool.

Ice-Giants were the cause of Noah's Flood * Genesis 6:4
No.
 

Magus

Active Member
This is a 4th century BCE drachm (quarter shekel) coin from the Persian province of Yehud Medinata, depicting Yahweh (Yehfe) seated on a winged-wheeled sun-throne.
Zeus_Yahweh.jpg


So the deity of that region, seems to match what i have written here , also matches
the description of Yahweh in the Bible

Psalms 104:3
'who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind'

Psalms 18:10
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.

These verses interchange Cherub and Chariot , although they do look
similar in English.

The Hebrew word for Chariot is 'rek·üv and Cherub is ker·üv' , the
latter seems to be related to PIE *kers- , similar to the Latin Carrus means two-wheeled Chariot.

2Sa 22:11
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind

In this verse 'Rode ' is rä·kav cognate with rek·üv ( Chariot )

Thus it aught to read 'he rode upon a chariot '
triptowingedwheel.jpg


5th century B.C.E Greek vise depicting Triptolemus who travelled
to the 'cold realms' of the Skythians , that is near-identical with the Yahweh coin of Judah.

'm guessing you were raised Christian
I am not or never was a Christian

נפיל doesn't mean giant.
If you read the Septuagint ( older then your Masoretic ) in Genesis 6:4 the word is 'γίγαντες ' ( Gigantes )
never-the-less that word doesn't mean giants either, but 'earth-born' .

There is no relation between the Qoph and the P.

Modern Hebrew lost the sound
QPH > PH , the actual, Phoenician symbol became the Greek Phi
Φισων = פִּישׁוֹן + קִישׁוֹן

Fire doesn't burn snow.

The words 'burning' and 'melting , you seem to forget that iconography of the burning-chariot that plundged
into Mount Hermon that melted the snow, feeds the streams

Jobs 24:19
Drought and heat consumed the snow waters:

'חֹם (chom ) 'burning heat ' , cognate with Gk καῦμα (Kauma) *burning heat
Greek Word Study Tool

Heat melts snow, why is that so difficult for understand.

Elijah in the Septuagint is written Ηλιου meaning sun
Greek Word Study Tool

the verse in Nahum is talking about how when G-d gets angry

Meaningless Talmudic theology .
 
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blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If i have evidence to back my claim , what is the issue?
If there were an issue, it might be that none of the others I've found who've looked at the question agree with you.

That of itself wouldn't make you wrong, of course, but were I in such a position I'd regard it as something I'd need to check out.
 

Magus

Active Member
Looking through the geographical terms in Numbers 33, that suppose to represent the Journey from the Red Sea to the Levant, they were actually going 'around' in circles.

Num 33:11 - Wilderness of Sin 'Gk ἔρημον Σιν ' ERHMON SIN '
Num 33:16 - Wilderness of Sinai 'Gk ἐρήμου Σινα 'ERHMOU SINA '

It was not a journey, it was a pilgrimage , they were encircling Mount Hermon, alike
Muslims around the Kaaba , It was not a particular event at a particular time in history, but an annual event, like the Hajj .

Moses, Aaron and Miriam are the three peaks of Hermon.
A. Miriam was covered in Snow * Num 12:10
B. Moses hand was covered in Snow * Exo 4:6
C. Αερμων > Ααρων

Num 33:39 * Aaron died at the top mount Hor
Num 34:7 * From mount Hor ye shall point out your border
NUm 34:8 * Mount Hor in Hamath * Lebanon

The Greek word for boundary-marker is ἕρμα ' Herma ' as in 'Hermon , synonym with σημεῖον (Shmeion), transliterated in Aramaic it is שְׁמַיִן (shamayin ) in Hebrew שָׁמַיִם (Shamayim) ' Heaven
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
This is a 4th century BCE drachm (quarter shekel) coin from the Persian province of Yehud Medinata, depicting Yahweh (Yehfe) seated on a winged-wheeled sun-throne.
Zeus_Yahweh.jpg


So the deity of that region, seems to match what i have written here , also matches
the description of Yahweh in the Bible
The deity of that region according to the Persian administration who minted that coin.

Nehemiah 8 and its surroundings explains that the Jews who returned didn't know Torah Law anyway. But we are not discussing Persian conceptions of G-d, or ignorant Jews' depictions of G-d. We're discussing the Tanach's depiction of G-d.

Of course that's assuming the Persian administration meant to depict the Jewish G-d. According to the Wikipedia article on these coins, that appears to be the head of a Persian king.

Psalms 104:3
'who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind'
This is the second time that you've quoted this verse, but the context remains what it is: a description of things G-d does. It describes the creation of the sky, the clouds the wind, fire earth and depths. It goes in that order.

Psalms 18:10
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.

These verses interchange Cherub and Chariot , although they do look
similar in English.
It doesn't. Just like there's places that portray G-d as appearing in pillars of clouds/thick clouds, there's also verses that describe G-d as sitting on the heads of the Cherub angels. The former describes how G-d is often portrayed when appearing to people while awake, the latter is how G-d is portrayed in prophetic vision.

The Hebrew word for Chariot is 'rek·üv and Cherub is ker·üv' , the
latter seems to be related to PIE *kers- , similar to the Latin Carrus means two-wheeled Chariot.
No, it does not. For one thing, Carrus appears to be a wagon, a four wheeled baggage cart to be specific.
For another, kers means to run.

2Sa 22:11
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind

In this verse 'Rode ' is rä·kav cognate with rek·üv ( Chariot )

Thus it aught to read 'he rode upon a chariot '
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You seem to have confused yourself. "Rode" is rakav. Cherub is kruv. Rekuv is not found anywhere. Rakav and keruv are not cognates as can be seen from their different three letter roots rkv and krv. It's like saying arc and car are cognates.

I am not or never was a Christian.

Well then you aught to thank them for providing you with your method of out-of-context interpretations.


If you read the Septuagint ( older then your Masoretic ) in Genesis 6:4 the word is 'γίγαντες ' ( Gigantes )
never-the-less that word doesn't mean giants either, but 'earth-born' .
Whether that is true or not has no bearing on the Hebrew word which you are attempting to re-interpret.

Modern Hebrew lost the sound
QPH > PH , the actual, Phoenician symbol became the Greek Phi
Φισων = פִּישׁוֹן + קִישׁוֹן
Modern Hebrew lost the precise sound of the letter Qoph and instead uses the same sound as the letter Kaph has. We shouldn't even say "lost" since Modern Hebrew was re-invented. Arabic still retains the separate sounds of the two letters although it would be hard for the untrained ear to detect it as they are quite similar.

But more importantly, the letter Qoph became the Greek Koppa, not the Greek Phi. The Greek Koppa, much like the Hebrew Qoph, eventually lost it's distinct sound and was absorbed by the Greek Kappa. Unlike the Greek Koppa, Hebrew retains the actual letter, albeit with the slightly altered sound.

The words 'burning' and 'melting , you seem to forget that iconography of the burning-chariot that plundged
into Mount Hermon that melted the snow, feeds the streams
That is iconography that you're attempting to impose on the verse. It's not relevant here.

Jobs 24:19
Drought and heat consumed the snow waters:

'חֹם (chom ) 'burning heat ' , cognate with Gk καῦμα (Kauma) *burning heat
Greek Word Study Tool
And yet again, I should point out that the actual pronunciation is ḥom.

Heat melts snow, why is that so difficult for understand.
Apparently what's difficult to understand for you is the point of the verse. It's not trying to say that the snow was melted into water, its trying to say that the snowy water is gone. It's no longer present. Almost like it's stolen.

Elijah in the Septuagint is written Ηλιου meaning sun
Greek Word Study Tool
That's a coincidence. The word Elijah already has a meaning in Hebrew. But when you transliterate it into Greek, it forms a word that also exists in Greek. You can do that with lots of languages. The English word 'rove' means 'majority' when transliterated to Hebrew. The Hebrew word for 'sea (yam)' is a type of tuber in English.

Meaningless Talmudic theology .
If by 'Talmudic theology' you mean 'reading the opening verses of the chapter', than yes, you're right.
 
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