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Featured Non-Trinitarians: What's wrong with the Trinity?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Eddi, Dec 28, 2019.

  1. 101G

    101G Member

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    first thanks for the reply, second, no it's the same account only in three different setting.

    where to go with this? that there is no trinity. for it was the Lord Jesus himself who chose Paul, then Saul for his minister. which Ananias said was the "God of the fathers". which is correct. the Father is the Son "diversified" or shared in flesh. so there is only one person, who is ONE GOD.

    That's fine, read all the book you like, but the bible tells us exacitly how and why Jesus is God and why to the fact as God don't know his return date, without going into full detail, just read the scripture, his return date is unknown to him because of (matthews 6:3 and Jeremiah 31:31-34, especiallt verse 34. ... :eek: these verses hold the answer.and what these verses reveals is in the book of Revelation chapter 5. it's just that simple.


    PICJAG.
     
  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Only to those who've never been involved in any serious theological studies. Anyone who has well knows the certainty is the enemy of theology, and anyone who doesn't understand that all scripture is subjective in nature is not a serious student. This is why I said that there's nowhere to go forth on this.
     
  3. InChrist

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    I think of the word substance referring to the essence and nature of God’s Being. As humans have human physical nature, I believe God has God/ Spiritual Nature unique to God with characteristics, attributes, abilities and power belonging to God alone. This God Nature, I believe the scriptures indicate is the same Nature ( substance) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit from all eternity.
    It is true the Son took on flesh when He took on human form and I think the Bible clearly indicates Jesus now has an eternal, resurrected, glorified human body, in which He will literally return to this earth in for all to see. Yet, this does not diminish the reality that the Son has His Spiritual/ God Nature from eternity past and still possesses it now along with His risen , glorified human nature, making the Son/ Jesus a One of a kind, unique Being and only Savior and Mediator between God and humanity.
    Just my thoughts and understanding.
     
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  4. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    BTW, I'm not stating nor implying that this is correct, but it does a pretty good job of pointing out how the early fathers came up with the Trinitarian formula:
    The same thing can be said about the word “Trinity.” The term was employed by the early church fathers as a “shorthand” way of referencing the idea that the Bible portrays God as both Three ( trinus) and One ( unitas). No one who has studied the Scriptures closely can easily deny this.

    Let’s take a closer look at the evidence. God is spoken of in both the singular and the plural throughout the Old Testament (see, for example, Genesis 1:26, 11:7). He is specifically called Father (Matthew 6:9), Son (John 8:58; Hebrews 1:8, 9), and Holy Spirit (John 16:26; Romans 8:9) in the New. We find all three Persons present simultaneously in the Gospel writers’ description of the baptism of Christ (Matthew 3:16, 17). Furthermore, the Bible makes a clear distinction between these Persons. For instance, when Christ was on the earth He prayed to His Father, not to Himself. At His baptism the voice of God was heard from Heaven, “This is my beloved Son, hear Him.”

    We should also point out that the earliest Christian confession of faith consisted of two words: Iesous Kyrios, “Jesus [is] Lord” (I Corinthians 12:3). In the ears of first-century Jewish Christians, this could only have meant one thing: “Jesus is Jehovah” (the Greek Septuagint version of the Old Testament consistently translates the Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH, “Jehovah,” with the Greek word kyrios, “lord”).

    How are we to account for this confusing and varied array of biblical testimony concerning the nature and the Person of God? There’s only one answer: we have to resort to the doctrine of the Trinity. It’s the only way to make sense of the biblical picture of God. It’s the only way to bring together all the different threads of the tapestry in a unified whole. To put it another way, Christian teachers have not invented the doctrine of the Trinity. That doctrine has thrust itself upon them by sheer weight of evidence...
    -- Trinitarian Theology and the Bible - Focus on the Family

    Please note that this is not a Catholic site.
     
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  5. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Not all that different from mine actually.
     
  6. Gerry

    Gerry Well-Known Member

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    It’s pretty simple.
    I believe and follow the Word, not the precepts of a bunch of men over the centuries who have completely corrupted Christianity with their false ideas.
    The Lord warns against such things.
     
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    exodus 33:20
    20 But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
    and yet Jesus was seen by many = Jesus is not God
     
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  8. TJ1

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    Hi 101G,

    We agree that the Father is the Almighty, but we also have to concede that Satan is, for a time, "the ruler of this world". (John 12:31). God has allowed him to have that power.

    What we're reading in Revelation 4:11 and Revelation 11:17 is the future event when God actually takes that power back from Satan and 'begins ruling as king' over the earth again. It's this transition of power, from Satan's rulership back to God's kingdom, that explains how the Almighty God can receive/take power.
     
  9. 101G

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    who do you thing gave satan that power? listen,
    Romans 13:1 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God". (that just got the devil and his power).

    Romans 13:2 "Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation". (that's what the devil is going to get).

    Thanks for the post, and be blessed.

    PICJAG.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    That’s a cop-out.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Except that time as we understand it has no meaning in God’s kingdom. God is infinite.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Except that this is a recognized heresy.
     
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    No. It is what happened when some non-spiritual soul nature taking over major religion , it is kind of like renaming Roman festival into Christmas.
     
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    Yes. There is no trinitarian formula to be found in the NT, nor the Creed. yet in both the Three together are there. That the relatedness is Mystery to be revealed in God's own time is not a problem for me.
     
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  15. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    ...as you understand it.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    That’s a cop-out.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    1) Seems plainly taught to me.
    2) Britannica is not a theological or ecclesial authority.
     
  18. leov

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    Osiris, Isis, Horus?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    No. We don’t have to concede that, cause it just ain’t true.

    Nope. This has nothing to do with historic events happening in linear time.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    ...or any of the Sumerian and Babylonian pantheon from whom the monotheistic “God” is derived.
     
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