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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nakosis, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    For the record, I would propose that a deist is apart from theist or atheist.

    Hence three words.
     
  2. Willamena

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    Yup.


    You still haven't explained (that I've seen) how being against "gods" somehow means you have to know all gods.

    I'm still curious.


    So, centipedes creep me out. I am against the existence of centipedes. Do I have to know every centipede there is in order to truly be against centipedes?

    I don't get the argument. I'd truly like to.
     
  3. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    I have many times, actually.

    No, you just have to have an idea of what a centipede is.

    What's a god?
     
  4. Willamena

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    Let's say I'm forgetful. (Not that it's a lie.)


    I have an idea of what a god is.

    I shouldn't have to share it with you to be able to say I'm an atheist.
     
  5. Willamena

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    The best description of god that I've encountered, though it was no doubt non-unique, was Leonard Cohen describing it as the nameless. Picture Adam, going around the Garden naming things. They have existence because of names. Names are synonymous with their concepts, giving them unique identity. We humans (Adam) with our mental capacities go around naming all the things we encounter, and as they are named they take on solid existence. But behind our conscious dividing, partitioning, classifying and assigning of names, there is a unified and undivided world that works cohesively despite us. Any words we could assign to it automatically divide it. They spoil it, or as Nietzsche would say, to believe in the words more than it is to kill it. And we do believe in words more than we believe in it.

    So I'm handing out a description of god. How does that somehow imply that I have to know all gods?
     
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    There is a difference between meaning and connotation.

    Non- usually has a connotation of "not having" such as nonfat yogurt.

    A- usually has a connotation of "not (and slightly at odds with)" such as anarchy.

    That is to say, an atheist, I would consider more likely to get in religious debates, while a nontheist doesn't care. But maybe that's just me.
     
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  7. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    No, but you'll have to share it with me if you want to believe that you really do have one.
     
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    In a post atheist World many people are becoming anatheists:

    https://www.amazon.com/Religion-Ath...s=religion+for+atheists&qid=1585367538&sr=8-2
     
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    Denotation? Is this a trick question?
     
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    Again, why do I have to be familiar with all centipedes to say I disbelieve (metaphorically) in centipedes? I've yet to hear the argument.
     
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    Isn't a deist effectively a type of theist? A different idea about God?

    As for the OP, non-theist most often seems to be used as a euphemism for atheist. It could also mean agnostic, I think, but why not just use that word?
     
  12. mikkel_the_dane

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    And using another definition of theist there is no contradiction.

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  13. mikkel_the_dane

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    It depends on what definitions you use.

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  14. mikkel_the_dane

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    It depends for the definition of theist and deist. In some cases yes, in others no.

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    According to the Wiki article, deism is just a different way of establishing the existence of a supreme being (observation as opposed to revelation). Deism - Wikipedia

    So it looks like "non-theism" would include "non-deism".

    Anyway, non-theist sounds very vague to me, somewhere between atheist and agnostic.
     
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    Yes, all of them Gods:D
     
  17. RedDragon94

    RedDragon94 Love everyone, meditate often

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    Some people in general choose not to react to others in general. :) We have bigger things to worry about besides the "right" religion.
     
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    How does someone do that, exactly?
     
  19. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    I'm using the normal definitions of the words.

    But yes: if you make up your own definitions, words can mean whatever you want.
     
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  20. mikkel_the_dane

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    I am not making up my own definitions of the words. I am just using other sources of the words. But if it makes you feel better to think they are solely mine feel free to think so.

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