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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nakosis, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. Nakosis

    Nakosis crystal soldier
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    So, non-theist is an interesting self description.

    However, what is the difference between a non-theist and an atheist?

    Definition of nontheist
    : a person who does not believe that there is a god or gods : a person who is not a believer in theism

    Definition of atheist
    : a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism
     
  2. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    Someone will no doubt come along and tell me I'm all wrong, but to me the difference is semantic hair splitting.
     
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  3. epronovost

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    I think you are indeed correct. You could make a more worthwile sementic difference between atheists and non-religious since there are religions in which there is no god(s).
     
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  4. mikkel_the_dane

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    So to split hairs, a non-theist as for the second version - a person who is not a believer in theism - could be a deist. There is a difference and a deist is not an atheist.

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  5. Nakosis

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    So a deist believes there is not a God or gods as per the definition?
     
  6. mikkel_the_dane

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    No, a theist believe in creator god, an intervening god and a god, which reveals itself to humans. A deist believes only a creator god and not the rest as a theist.
    So a non-theist can still believe in a creator god, not just a theistic god.

    Regards
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  7. Nakosis

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    Ok but the definition says a non-theist does not believe in a God unless you feel the definition is in error?
     
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    to me, the definition of non-theist is agnostic on deism :)
     
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  9. mikkel_the_dane

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    Yes, because if you look closer all believers in a creator God are not just theists or deists even. I left out that deists believe that you can prove God by using reasoning on the natural world.
    I believe in a creator God and I am neither a theist nor a deist, yet I am also not an atheist, because I believe in a God. So I am in fact a non-theist, yet I believe in a God.

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    That also works in a sense.
     
  11. mikkel_the_dane

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    Further as I am from the modern western world. This leaves out a lot of religions that doesn't fit into the "classical" western god idea.
    There are other members, which are much better at that than me. I am cultural biased to think of religion as to start with creator gods.

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  12. lewisnotmiller

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    To me, a non-theist is someone looking to make sure they're not associated with more obvious atheist personalities and groupings.

    But in terms of belief, atheism doesn't demand any of that.

    Same-same.
     
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    I'm interested in why you wouldn't think of yourself as a theist (albeit of a specific flavour).
    Not saying you're wrong, just interested.
     
  14. Sunstone

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    Oh come on, guys! Please Please, do not tell me you hang out on a website called "Religious Forums" and you do NOT grasp that nontheist is distinct from atheist. Just don't tell me that. This was meant to be a joke thread, right?
     
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  15. Sunstone

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    A nontheist is an umbrella term that can refer to an atheist, or an agnostic, or an apatheist, etc. etc.

    i.e. Anyone of any kind of nontheism.

    As if you guys really didn't know!
     
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  16. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I stick with the etymology of atheist.

    It's quite simple and refreshingly straightforward.

    "One without gods".
     
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    If you don't believe gods exist more than likely you won't believe there are gods. If you believe there are no gods, unless maybe there is doubt, most likely you don't cause they don't exist. They kinda go together.
     
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  18. Nakosis

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    I can't say I exactly agree with the given definition of atheist either.
    Still perhaps non-theist comes with less baggage and that is its benefit.
     
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    Until I read this I was wondering what the difference was.
     
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    They are synonyms as far as I'm concerned. I don't care so much what you call me, as long as you understand my view point.
     
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