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Featured Non believers do you believe in good & bad deeds ?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by chinu, Sep 30, 2020.

  1. chinu

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    Some born in rich families, some born in poor families.
    Some born physically challenged, others born with good health.
    Some born in terror countries, other born in peaceful countries.

    Who's responsible. Is it previous birth's good/bad deeds ? or something else ?

    How as a non believer will you answer this question.
     
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    Not sure what a 'Birth deed' is?
     
  3. chinu

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    It means, do one get birth according to his/her previous life's deeds ?
     
  5. SalixIncendium

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    Yes.

    Sorry for the lengthy response.
     
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  6. chinu

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    How as non-believer you believe this ?
     
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    No, since I don't believe in previous or future lives. It would just make this one life we have too messy - blaming virtually anything on some previous existence, and without any real evidence for such. And behaving in this life based on some unproven proposition just sounds just as silly to me. We do get much from hereditary aspects though and which often can't be avoided, but this hardly equates to good or bad deeds.
     
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    Can you please rephrase the question? I'm not sure what you're asking here.
     
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    How as a non believer you believe that one get birth in certain circumstances according to his/her previous life's good/bad deed ?
     
  10. SalixIncendium

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    I'm still confused. Why would belief in God be required for such a view? I'm not sure what you mean by "how."
     
  11. chinu

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    One is born in rich family, other one is born in poor. Who/what is responsible for this ?
     
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    I think one can blame the sperm and ovum for that. And circumstances tend to pass down the line - as almost inevitable, unless one breaks free from such, which many do.
     
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    Either I don't know how to ask this question, or you didn't understand. I have rephrased the OP. Please do read once again, thank you.
     
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    Well I thought you had altered the initial question, and answered as if you were asking if anything in a previous existence had any relevance for one's life today. - which I don't believe is the case. We are all responsible for our own actions - but - many have much better understanding and/or control than others, because of hereditary influences or from their upbringing, or perhaps from any other circumstances, such that we are not entirely equal when it comes to responsibility. Hence perhaps why so many do bad deeds and others don't (tend to). I think some understanding of psychology helps to inform one of the various issues related to our responsibility or not when we act.

    For example, in many countries (Norway, and some others no doubt), children who kill other children are not treated in the same way as an adult or adolescent might be treated. Some comparable cases did see two 10-year-olds entering the justice system for many years in the UK whilst something similar in Norway saw no penal retribution at all, perhaps because the latter children were not assessed as being so responsible for their actions - and where the age of criminal responsibility (14 or 15) is much higher than in the UK (where I believe it is still 10).
     
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    The parents are responsible for the birth of their children and the conditions into which they are born.
     
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    I would be surprised if there were a difference in the answer to these questions whether you are a non believer or a believer?

    If you could take person A and trace back their lineage and look at each individual person, I think the explanation would be rather logical why some are born into rich families and some in poor. For the most part we also have a fairly good understanding that certain disease can be inherited through generations. So again if we could go back in time and examine people, I think the explanation would be fairly logical here as well.

    So not only will a person's lineage affect them in one way or another, but it can affect a whole country or society as well. Look how the North Koreans lives have been affect due to a very few incompetent people sitting on the top making one bad decisions after another.
     
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    Oh, right ...No
     
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    No one is responsible in a literal sense. It just is.
     
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    Forest Gump said it best.
     
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    I think Salix Has the idea that there's an intentional puppetmaster behind everything. That a thing would happen by chance, or purely mechanically, seems to be hard for him to swallow.
     
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