Noah's Arc and the Flood?

[Subduction Zone]

This is a marvelous website that tries to bring reason into the story.

Where Was Noah’s Flood? | World Events and the Bible
Where Was Noah’s Flood? | World Events and the Biblenoahs-flood
Dec 13, 2019 · In this Bible study, we will discover Noah’s Flood was local, and confined to an enclosed basin. We will identify the potential location of Noah’s Flood. When we think about Noah’s Flood, we have pictures painted in our mind of a catastrophic extinction level event for earth.

Not bad,but most Christians realize a local flood like that makes the Ark superfluous. The literalists will not accept it.

In reality it probably was inspired by a flood of the Tigris Euphrates rivers and some man may even have survived it on a boat. But the rest was just added over the years.

 

[sooda]

Not bad,but most Christians realize a local flood like that makes the Ark superfluous. The literalists will not accept it.

In reality it probably was inspired by a flood of the Tigris Euphrates rivers and some man may even have survived it on a boat. But the rest was just added over the years.

Muslims believe that it was a local flood and only believers survived.

 

[Native]

This is a marvelous website that tries to bring reason into the story.

Yes it tries - but it fails, quote from - Was Noah’s Flood Global? | World Events and the Bible

"Genesis 7:17
And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

Does anyone believe Noah’s Ark was lifted above the entire planet?

Of course not".
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The underlined sentence is in fact correct and it fits my explanation of the Noah Flood to represent the Milky Way River above the Earth in the night Sky.

 

[sooda]

Yes it tries - but it fails, quote from - Was Noah’s Flood Global? | World Events and the Bible

"Genesis 7:17
And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

Does anyone believe Noah’s Ark was lifted above the entire planet?

Of course not".
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The underlined sentence is in fact correct and it fits my explanation of the Noah Flood to represent the Milky Way River above the Earth in the night Sky.

That would make spiritual sense for the Amazon, Nile or Ganges, but not the Tigris and Euphrates.

 

[Native]

That would make spiritual sense for the Amazon, Nile or Ganges, but not the Tigris and Euphrates.

No and why not so? Because the biblical content of the Flood wasn´t scholarly connected to the celestial river of the Milky Way in the first place. It´s all because the Abrahamic religions forgot the mythical and cosmological contents in the scriptures.
All scholars who lacks the mythical and astronomical perspectives are forced to find other explanations and then they have no other options but to claim geographical rivers as the cause for a Flood.

 

[sooda]

During ancient times, lands that now constitute Iraq were known as Mesopotamia (“Land Between the Rivers”), a region whose extensive alluvial plains gave rise to some of the world’s earliest civilizations, including those of Sumer, Akkad, Babylon, and Assyria.

The region of Sumer was long thought to have been first inhabited around 4500 BCE. This date has been contested in recent years, however, and it now thought that human activity in the area began much earlier.

 

[sooda]

No and why so? Because the biblical content of the Flood wasn´t scholarly connected to the celestial river of the Milky Way in the first place. It´s all because the Abrahamic religions forgot the mythical and cosmological contents in the scriptures.
All scholars who lacks the mythical and astronomical perspectives are forced to find other explanations and then they have no other options but to claim geographical rivers as the cause for a Flood.

Alluvial plains are built up by real rivers depositing silt when they overflow their banks. Starlight didn't create the Nile Delta or the alluvial plains south of Basra. However, it is a charming bit of bronze age mythos.

 

[Native]

Starlight didn't create the Nile Delta or the alluvial plains south of Basra. However, it is a charming bit of bronze age mythos.

Of course not. But the star lighted Milky Way indeed is culturally thought to constitute the Flood Myth.
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It seems that the Sumerian Euphrates after all also had a Milky Way connection but the scholars fails to make this connection.

Quotes from - Hubur - Wikipedia

“A connection to Tiamat has been suggested with parallels to her description as "Ummu-Hubur". Hubur is also referred to in the Enuma Elish as "mother sea Hubur, who fashions all things".[5] The river Euphrates has been identified with Hubur as the source of fertility in Sumer. This Babylonian "river of creation" has been linked to the Hebrew "river of paradise"

Gunkel and Zimmern suggested resemblance in expressions and a possible connection between the Sumerian river and that found in later literary tradition in the Book of Ezekiel (Ezekiel 47) likely influencing imagery of the "River of Water of Life" in the Apocalypse (KJV). They also noted a connection between the "Water of Life" in the legend of Adapa and a myth translated by A.H. Sayce called "An address to the river of creation".[3] Delitzch has suggested the similar Sumerian word Habur probably meant "mighty water source", "source of fertility" or the like”.
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“The River of Creation” and “source of fertility” is scholarly compared and suggested to the geographic river which of course also is a source of fertility. But when taking Tiamat and the Enuma Elish myth and context into consideration, it specifically speaks of divine deities of creation, i.e. some celestial matters and not earthly matters in the first place.

 

[dad]

Nope

Yep.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yep.

dad, your error was explained to you with an opportunity offered to help you from making it again. Now by repeating your error you make yourself look as if you are lying.

 

[dad]

Not according to fundamentalists.

The Flood | Answers in Genesis
https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood
The Flood of Noah’s day (2348 BC) was a year-long global catastrophe that destroyed the pre-Flood world, reshaped the continents, buried billions of creatures, and laid down the rock layers. It was God’s judgment on man’s wickedness and only eight righteous people, and representatives of every kind of land animal, were spared aboard the Ark.

Yes, I am aware that old flood geology proponents have tried to attribute the year of the flood to everything, even the fossil record.

The evidence says that man and animals and cultures/religions/languages all started together. If the flood happened when the continents separated, how would animals migrate all over after the flood? How would man have gotten everywhere he is today after the flood? How would one event at Babel affect the whole world?
AIG uses the same nature in the past based belief to try to explain all things too. They just have tried to explain them in a way that leaves the bible true. The problem s that this doesn't work. How come there are no longer any angels marrying women here on earth? No more dinosaurs? How could people have lived for 1000 years? How could trees have grown in weeks? How could there have been no high mountains pre-flood? How could layers have been rapidly deposited? How come there are fossils before the time of Noah? Why is man not in the fossils record, nor most animals? Etc.

AIG needs to get with the program here, or be left in the lurch.

 

[dad]

your error .

Your error is spamming and a dishonest pretense of debate.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, I am aware that old flood geology proponents have tried to attribute the year of the flood to everything, even the fossil record.

The evidence says that man and animals and cultures/religions/languages all started together. If the flood happened when the continents separated, how would animals migrate all over after the flood? How would man have gotten everywhere he is today after the flood? How would one event at Babel affect the whole world?
AIG uses the same nature in the past based belief to try to explain all things too. They just have tried to explain them in a way that leaves the bible true. The problem s that this doesn't work. How come there are no longer any angels marrying women here on earth? No more dinosaurs? How could people have lived for 1000 years? How could trees have grown in weeks? How could there have been no high mountains pre-flood? How could layers have been rapidly deposited? How come there are fossils before the time of Noah? Why is man not in the fossils record, nor most animals? Etc.

AIG needs to get with the program here, or be left in the lurch.

Please show us this evidence. And since we are discussing science here this is the standard that you must meet:

Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your error is spamming and a dishonest pretense of debate.

dad, now you are telling us that you are not a true Christian. A true Christian would not openly break the Ninth Commandment. Y

But you made claims of evidence. Please post it. Claiming that you have evidence when you do not is not exactly honest. Once again here is the standard:


Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis.

 

[dad]

Please show us this evidence. And since we are discussing science here this is the standard that you must meet:

Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis.

Creation, the flood, and God are not scientific theories. This is news? Your theories are supposed to be scientific. Prove there was the same nature in the past since all your theories depend on that. Until then your spam is a sign of total defeat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Creation, the flood, and God are not scientific theories. This is news? Your theories are supposed to be scientific. Prove there was the same nature in the past since all your theories depend on that. Until then your spam is a sign of total defeat.

We know, they are bedtime stories for little children. But you were the one that claimed to have evidence. Now it appears that you were spamming again. You are the one that claimed "evidence". Please show it.

 

[dad]

We know.

No. You know not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. You know not.

Since I can support my claims and you cannot, even after you said that you could it becomes rather obvious that I know and you have only superstitious belief.

Found any evidence yet? We are waiting.

 

[sooda]

Of course not. But the star lighted Milky Way indeed is culturally thought to constitute the Flood Myth.
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It seems that the Sumerian Euphrates after all also had a Milky Way connection but the scholars fails to make this connection.

Quotes from - Hubur - Wikipedia

“A connection to Tiamat has been suggested with parallels to her description as "Ummu-Hubur". Hubur is also referred to in the Enuma Elish as "mother sea Hubur, who fashions all things".[5] The river Euphrates has been identified with Hubur as the source of fertility in Sumer. This Babylonian "river of creation" has been linked to the Hebrew "river of paradise"

Gunkel and Zimmern suggested resemblance in expressions and a possible connection between the Sumerian river and that found in later literary tradition in the Book of Ezekiel (Ezekiel 47) likely influencing imagery of the "River of Water of Life" in the Apocalypse (KJV). They also noted a connection between the "Water of Life" in the legend of Adapa and a myth translated by A.H. Sayce called "An address to the river of creation".[3] Delitzch has suggested the similar Sumerian word Habur probably meant "mighty water source", "source of fertility" or the like”.
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“The River of Creation” and “source of fertility” is scholarly compared and suggested to the geographic river which of course also is a source of fertility. But when taking Tiamat and the Enuma Elish myth and context into consideration, it specifically speaks of divine deities of creation, i.e. some celestial matters and not earthly matters in the first place.

Of course the Tigris and Euphrates are rivers of fertility. The Gilgamesh Epic is far older than the Hebrew flood story.. Its found in Babylon, Sumer, Dilmun and Ras Shamra with no mention of starlight.

Alluvial plains are REAL .. The Fertile Crescent is REAL.

 

[dad]

Since I can support .

Then do it or show link to where you supposedly think you did.