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Featured "no religion, it usually means no atheism as well"

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, Jun 26, 2018.

  1. 'mud

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    hey Paarsurrey ,
    I've never seen you answer a question directly.
    Soooo...it seems to be silly to attempt to have a meaningful conversation with you.
    Soooo...I will stop, good will and good luck ..right, please
     
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  2. Kirran

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    What about Buddhism and Daoism, for example? They express things quite differently.
     
  3. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    It seems to me that you should accept not a compulsion, but a responsibility that comes with your decision to lend prestige to the claims of the Qur'an.
     
  4. paarsurrey

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    "what we believe as a unit"
    There is no unity in the Atheism people, they are all in singles and are expected to be passive, not active in their assertions, not expected to defend it or debate their stance or be vocal, as that would be against the Atheism . Right, please?
    Regards
     
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  5. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Far as I can tell, it is in fact a constant among all atheists.

    How could it possibly not be?
     
  6. paarsurrey

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    They are free to express things quite differently, but I am not bound by their expressions. I am a free person. Right, please?
    Regards
     
  7. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    No. Atheists are people who just happen not to be theists.

    Some of us will be passionate and active about various things. Some will be outspoken about atheism, denouncers of the excesses of theism, and even full-blown anti-theists.

    We have no common characteristics, nor should anyone expect us to.
     
  8. LuisDantas

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    Right.

    Still, your willingness to ignore other people's perspectives will unavoidably reflect on the good will that you harvest from them.
     
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  9. Kirran

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    I never said you were bound in any way, paarsurrey.

    However, this does somewhat interfere with your definition of religion.

    What do you think about that?
     
  10. QuestioningMind

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    That depends on how you want to define religion. You're suggesting that we completely change the definition of religion. If you want to start calling your lack of belief in unicorns a religion or if you want to start calling your lack of belief in magical fairies a religion, you CAN, but by doing so you've completely altered the meaning of what a religion is. Is that your intention?
     
  11. paarsurrey

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    There is no unity in the Atheism people, I believe, they are all in singles and are expected to be passive, not active in their assertions, not expected to defend it or debate their stance or be vocal, as that would be against the Atheism . Right, please?
    Regards
     
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    There are atheists who are passive and atheists who are not. The only thing that is against atheism would be to say 'there is a god or gods.'
     
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    We see here so often an assertion from Atheism people that it is not a religion. Isn't one wrong here, please?


    This does not make sense, then.

    The assertion most people atheist and not assert about atheism is that it is not a religion (no creed not dogma nor history not culture) and is not made up as a unit but individual people with varies opinions about the existence of gods.

    You answered your own question. No it is not right to assume atheism is a religion because as you said it has not a unit with a creed but people with singular views.
     
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  14. LuisDantas

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    Wrong.

    We can easily associate for any reason, including to present a public face for atheism.

    We can very much be active in our assertions, including those about atheism and theism.

    And we definitely can defend and debate atheism. We arguably have a duty to.

    It just happens that many of us are not driven to do that.
     
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    atheism isnt a religion, in the same way that not playing baseball isn't a sport

    if you want to know about atheism, there are plenty of books about it

    amen
     
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    you say that atheism should include gods?

    most religions include gods so how can they
    POSSIBLY be compatible with atheism?

    amen
     
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    You need to be clear what your question is. Atheism is sometimes used to mean:


    Absence of theism.

    Belief that there is no god.


    These are not identical.


    Absence of theism is by definition not a religion.


    Belief in non-existence of a god is not really a religion, but is a belief which requires either exceptional evidence, or a kind of faith. So it has a religious link.


    But most people seem to refer to the former definition of atheism.
     
  18. LuisDantas

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    Of course not. Not as something taken as literally existing, at least.
    Gods are not that big a deal even when they have a legitimate role in a creed.
     
  19. corynski

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    It's very simple...... atheism = a(without) + theism(god belief) = without a god belief. I see no (0, none) manifestation or evidence of anything supernatural. That's it, that's the whole thing. I don't know what anyone else perceives or experiences, so my atheism applies only to me, to the world that I perceive and experience .......
     
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    Atheism is not a 'kind of faith', and doesn't require 'exceptional evidence', unless you think you can have faith in nothing, or in the absence of something, which doesn't make sense to me. To say atheism is a belief isn't really accurate since my atheism simply means to me that there is nothing to believe in.... no gods or goddesses, no angels or tooth fairies or trolls......
     
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