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Featured No other Path to Unity but God.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by TransmutingSoul, Jan 4, 2022.

  1. TransmutingSoul

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    This is a follow on from the New Athiest Humanities Downfall?

    It has been recorded.

    "The well-being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded."

    (“Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh”, p. 286)

    That is the topic of discussion.

    So what are the councels that we will need to heed to find our unity?

    Also, does this mean atheists and people of all the various faiths will not embrace those councels? (Personally I do not see that necessarily will be the case)

    Regards Tony
     
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  2. TransmutingSoul

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    My first thought would be the core values one being the Golden Rule.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Those are good questions and observations.... I just don't think people who are materially better off will put aside their selfish (read: unloving) desires to accommodate - or help - others to even meet their necessities, let alone their wants.

    From what I've been taught, according to Daniel 2:44 (the same Kingdom in the Lord's prayer - Matthew 6:9-10) & Revelation 11:18, God will soon step in, after this 6,000-year human-rule experiment / challenge raised in Genesis 3:1-6 is sufficiently settled to His satisfaction.

    Then, Revelation 21:3-4 (& other Scrips) will begin being fulfilled.
     
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    IMO, peace and security comes from within. Not waiting/hoping for the unity of religion.
    I don't find hoping for external events to guarantee any kind of success.
     
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  5. TransmutingSoul

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    I agree it comes from within and is up to each of us.

    So how can that happen, other than the majority brace the need for that change?

    Regards Tony
     
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  6. TransmutingSoul

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    I see the Bible does contain guidance as to what God will provide to us. The interpretation of those passages have caused division, so how do you see will we balance that division, or maybe you see we will not?

    Regards Tony
     
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    Men need to give up their self expressed title.

    The only human natural truth.

    A man's psyche says I am the God self.

    Yet includes o planet earth which he isn't and it's created planets heavens which he isn't either.

    A man's thoughts is sperm man baby path is back to his human body his father first.

    Does not include his naturally owned reasoned human life. Sex and a human female ovary.

    Human sex two mutual human parents for two of any mutual human babies.

    Was a teaching against science.

    The only human choice that sacrificed life.

    Not until you agree as men that science of man committed life to its evils will you conclude a moral human truth.

    It is the only human historical human reason why you never obtained the balanced human natural truth as just a human only.
     
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    I concur. One can only change themselves, and aggressive techniques to try to change others defeats the purpose entirely. It takes insight and patience, not whining.
     
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  9. TransmutingSoul

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    I do not see it will be by any person or group implementing unity in an aggressive manner.

    I do see that world events will shape our choices, which only a unity of purpose will enable us to overcome. Covid-19 is such an event.

    Regards Tony
     
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    A personal spiritual journey, IMO.

    The idea I came across that I like is that in lifting ourselves out of ignorance, we bring many along for the ride.
    Spirituality should lead to success in life. Everyone wants to succeed. So if one is successful in their own life, others will seek to emulate you.
     
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    What about the growing numbers of people who don't believe in gods? What happens to them if all religious people unify?
     
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    So these counsels are not identified or known? Couldn't they be Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and Dennet?
     
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    I heard an interesting take on what spirituality means, and it was that a spiritual person is one who, by their very presence lifts the spirits of others. I do get that with some people ... people with a great sense of humor, for example.
     
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  14. TransmutingSoul

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    Now that is a quandary and does tie back into the OP, from how Isee it anyway.

    How are we to measure a successful life? An example is one could say that Jesus life was the ultimate success.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Well from a Baha'i perspective it could be what Baha'u'llah offered, but I see it is all inclusive. I do not know how atheists will approach this issue when it does unfold, as it is God given.

    As such I see unity will be a realisation of the oneness of the human race and that naught but virtues can build unity.

    It could include our move towards advice such as this.

    "The Great Being, wishing to reveal the prerequisites of the peace and tranquillity of the world and the advancement of its peoples, hath written: The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized. The rulers and kings of the earth must needs attend it, and, participating in its deliberations, must consider such ways and means as will lay the foundations of the world’s Great Peace amongst men. Such a peace demandeth that the Great Powers should resolve, for the sake of the tranquillity of the peoples of the earth, to be fully reconciled among themselves. Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him. If this be done, the nations of the world will no longer require any armaments, except for the purpose of preserving the security of their realms and of maintaining internal order within their territories. This will ensure the peace and composure of every people, government and nation. We fain would hope that the kings and rulers of the earth, the mirrors of the gracious and almighty name of God, may attain unto this station, and shield mankind from the onslaught of tyranny. …The day is approaching when all the peoples of the world will have adopted one universal language and one common script. When this is achieved, to whatsoever city a man may journey, it shall be as if he were entering his own home. These things are obligatory and absolutely essential. It is incumbent upon every man of insight and understanding to strive to translate that which hath been written into reality and action…. That one indeed is a man who, today, dedicateth himself to the service of the entire human race. The Great Being saith: Blessed and happy is he that ariseth to promote the best interests of the peoples and kindreds of the earth. In another passage He hath proclaimed: It is not for him to pride himself who loveth his own country, but rather for him who loveth the whole world. The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens..."

    I note in the passage it says "These things are obligatory and absolutely essential.", so that is the challenge we face.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Assuming a Jesus actually existed. What about Hindus? Muslims? You throw them under the bus with your preference of belief. That is no way to unity. You seem completely blind to this.

    If you want to lead others to unity you need to abandon your own preferences for belief.

    You seem to want others to conform to what you believe, and that creates division.
     
  17. TransmutingSoul

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    That is your narrow view of what you quoted of one example I gave.

    You impute what I did not offer, which is covered under a thread about New Atheist views.

    Regards Tony
     
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    What if to attain unity you have to surrender your Baha'i perspective?
     
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    I am a woman. Abused by man even in name as a less status given to my human fe...being for a long time.

    By science thesis of men thinking then sciences machine Sophia womb zero maths caused irradiation of mind brain consciousness.

    Sacrificed spirituality gone out of his spirit. Man's human. Self gone consciousness gone. Told himself it was sacrificed and is gone.

    Proven by the his story all abused men chosen past choices in natural life and present life.

    A fact of your complex.

    Father one man first. Sexual creator of all humans since by sex into babies. Says your man memory is your creator being. Father a human.

    The sacrificed life mind brain owner. Men babies.

    My O ovary cell gave you man self life you are on my path in my way as a conscious to self female life owner body O ovary. Human mother. To human female baby.

    Hearing your ego is appalling.

    You self man believe your spiritual father is a God creator as man's memory....innocent and loving who created your human life human consciousness in memory is a God compared to you. A man.

    And you lie...scientist theist human man.

    Pretty basic a hu man mother had to tell you what a self destructive thinker in human life is. Factually.

    His story your own human man's proof.

    O you are not God the planet that created gods gas heavens out of it's rock body. God O planet owned it.

    You then stated time in science is O. A clock circular. Circulation.

    Yet theory lines.

    You say maths was one to twelve by O time. O held. A body once alight as light itself god O mass now cold O clock owner numbers a count of heavens light dark period.

    Inside O clock God earth you said is gods sun. Nuclear. Not consuming itself like the nuclear sun.

    You said gods O earth sun inside O clock was safe. Said it yourself as a human.

    You liar scientist however introduced consuming of mass sun nuclear science. Not gods earth thesis. Your brain mind conscious since is missing.

    Your claim as a man is science stated only. God O is about O earth remaining fused as God the theist man. Most important he says.

    Which is not occurring.

    Why you only lie.

    So men said my human mother and my baby son is holy. Babies don't talk.

    Holy human mother talks. Her advice is correct yours isn't baby man.

    God advice in a man's thinking is a solid held fused earth face. God for life to continue.
     
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    You mentioned Jesus while advocating for unity, and you know many religious and non-religious do not acknowledge that reference is meaningful.

    So can you abandon your preferences to achieve unity?
     
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