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No more babies being delivered at NY hospital

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by KenS, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    It doesn't work unless they approach the topic from a non antivax mind. So if I talked about facts it won't be mixed up with preconceived opinions. It's a good practice cause the same is true for any person we read or listen to fro politics to religion. You (people in general) have to learn to separate the person and topic if it's talking about facts and judgement of them and not opinions.
     
  2. SkepticThinker

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    No offense, but you seem to be the one taking things personally on this thread/topic. :shrug:
     
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  3. Unveiled Artist

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    Yes and no. I do feel strongly about it like provaxxers. No, because I'm pretty much multitasking mostly so I don't have emotions invested in it. I'm pretty calm until someone throws a curve all (hence my avatar)

    Though I'd assume others would take it personal if they truly believe the unvaxed is killing others and prolonging the pandemic?

    Works both ways?
     
  4. Alienistic

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    Negative. It just becomes close to futile reasoning with arrogant personalities who utilize very weak tactics in order to think they win something. I do this for others to potentially formulate an opinion.

    VAERS is an unverified source? Haha.

    It is required by law that any adverse effects are reported by medical professionals. You claim it’s not vetted, while the CDC and VAERS acknowledge that they review them.

    No vaccine makers are ever liable for any adverse effects, and they’ll never acknowledge or admit because they don’t have to.

    Yet many common physicians and nurses have been brave enough to admit what’s actually going on, but of course are always censored. Unless you think the many hundreds of them coming forward are some sort of crisis actors and all liars also.

    Logic would seem that the 701,500 submissions to VAERS as of Sept 10th would not dismiss them all as some grand conspiracy theory against poor, innocent pharma. (In 2019, the total reports were only 48,000.) But yeah.... nothing to see here.
     
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  5. Subduction Zone

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    VAERS is only a source where people reported medical incidents after a vaccination. That by itself is not evidence. Do you know why?
     
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  6. Alienistic

    Alienistic Anti-conformity

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    Because these are all coincidence, lies, and a conspiracy theory against pharma?
     

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  7. Subduction Zone

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    OOh my!

    Olay so you do not understand the sources that are out there. No, none of the reports appear to be lies. And there is no conspiracy.

    So give it another shot. Why aren't those reports evidence on their own?
     
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  8. SkepticThinker

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    Oh you mean like arrogant people who refer to others as sheep? Like that?

    Yep. And that's not according to me. That's according to the organization that created it. Why you refuse to acknowledge that, I have no idea, other than it's just something you want to believe and so you do, facts be damned. And in order to do that, you have to reject the organization's own disclaimer about their own site. But you know something they don't I'm sure, right? :rolleyes:

    They review them much later on. Hence the story about the guy who got paid out for claiming that a flu vaccine caused him to turn into the Incredible Hulk. I have a feeling you won't accept the CDC's own findings, whenever they are released. We'll see, I guess.

    This is all irrelevant in light of the facts about VAERS data.

    When the CDC follows up and does their analysis, then we can look at the data. Otherwise, we're looking at data in which a person has claimed that a vaccine turned them into the Incredible Hulk, or that a vaccine has caused any other number of things that haven't yet been investigated.
     
  9. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Cops who cannot accept reasonable measures
    to keep themselves & others safe? They resigned.
    I say good riddance. And to Heck with their union.
    In the news....
    Dozens Of Massachusetts State Police Troopers Resigning Over COVID Vaccine Mandate, Union Says
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    BOSTON (CBS) – The State Police Association of Massachusetts (SPAM) said dozens of troopers have submitted their resignation papers as a result of the state’s COVID vaccine mandate.

    The state is requiring all executive department employees to show proof of vaccination by October 17, or risk losing their jobs.

    About 20% of State Police employees are not vaccinated, the union’s attorney said.

    Last week, a judge denied a request from the State Police union to put a hold on Baker’s vaccine mandate for troopers.
     
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  10. Alienistic

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    When crime goes up, and there are significant delays in response or no one showing up at all- doubt those would care if the officer(s) that would have showed up were vaccinated or not. Careful what you wish for or advocate. And if we become as like Australia, and are locked down from state of emergencies declared, won’t matter how many jabs anyone has- will be in the same boat as anyone else not jabbed.
     
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  11. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    I strongly suspect that anti-vax cops aren't the best & brightest.
    There are some cops whom we want to avoid.
     
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  12. InChrist

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    Many of those nurses have been treating Covid patients day in and day out, for well over eighteen months. Much of that time before the vaccines were widely available. Those nurses were greatly appreciated then. What makes you think they don’t see or know things that are going on with their vaccinated patients that has caused them to believe they have valid reasons for choosing not to take the vaccine themselves?
     
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  13. Daemon Sophic

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    I know. They see the unvaccinated getting sick, and spreading it to others, and people dying. They also see the vaccinated avoiding illness. The few who choose not to vaccinate do so for no reason other than their twisted sources of information blatantly lying to them; and then they claim such bogus ‘reasons’ as “religious exemption” when there is no such thing against vaccines in their religion. Period.
    So please don’t exploit these good and kind-hearted, hard working, yet unfortunate and misled medical workers as your tools for misinforming and misleading others into doing the wrong thing.
     
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  14. InChrist

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    Really? According to my friend who is a nurse at a large VA hospital every single one of her Covid patients over the last two months are fully vaccinated, with severe symptoms.
     
  15. sun rise

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    Your friend is lying or being deceived. Every source and there are MANY MANY speak about the unvaccinated filling up hospitals, ICUs and dying. Don't fall prey to liars who are spreading darkness and decay.
     
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  16. InChrist

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    She is a committed health practitioner and is not lying. She has no reason to lie. She is fully vaccinated herself, as well as having had Covid.
     
  17. Subduction Zone

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    Then you may have misunderstood her. The statistics clearly tell us that your version is wrong.
     
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  18. InChrist

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    I didn’t misunderstand.
    What if the statistics are inaccurate, since someone who is vaccinated is not considered fully vaccinated until fourteen days after their final shot. So if they get Covid in the meantime they are counting as “unvaccinated “ although they are vaccinated and have a breakthrough case.

    In general, people are considered fully vaccinated: ±

    • 2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or
    • 2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine

    COVID-19 Vaccination
     
  19. Subduction Zone

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    How would the statistics be inaccurate? Now you are really grasping at straws. Very good records of the vaccinated have been kept. And again, two weeks. So what? Even if you moved the date back to the moment they got vaccinated you are still wrong.
     
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