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No more babies being delivered at NY hospital

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by KenS, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    Which conspiracy?

    I know people try to justify why others don't vac by conspiracy, ignorance, misinformed,or just plain idiot but all these aren't facts.

    Which conspiracy are you referring to?

    I treat all healthcare decisions the same. COVID is no different.
     
  2. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    Exactly. So what's up with repeating stats and percentages?

    Usually people change cause of experience, intrinsic motivator, incentives.

    Here's something that gives an idea. You don't have to watch it but it shows my point.



    You can give people all the facts and figures but if you don't speak to their "why" they're not sold.
     
  3. Subduction Zone

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    How is it black and white thinking? Just driving through a school zone at 100 mph does not guarantee an accident. I merely raises the odds. Guess what, not being vaxxed does not mean that a person will get ill. It only raises the odds.


    And no. No one is assuming the danger. That can be calculated and shown to exist through statistics. Accidents are never guaranteed to happen, but one can take actions that either increase or decrease the odds of them happening.
     
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  4. Unveiled Artist

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    It's putting vac/unvax in a two option scenario.

    The argument is unvax are putting vaccinated people in danger.

    The unspoken option is those who unvax take other measures to decrease the spread.

    It shouldn't be a vax or not situation. An example of an uncaring person is when my friend's ex threatened her and her children if she got COVID she'd go to their home and spread it.

    Her (ex) son wanted to vax but the mother said no despite all three got covid and the boy hospitalized.

    Now That I'd call uncaring. Just being unvaxed alone tells me nothing.
     
  5. F1fan

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    Kids in school eventually learn something. They don't argue with the teacher's lesson.
     
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    The disinformation you post. You might not be a willing member, but you are part of it.

    Then you must not be listening to experts for any other healthcare issues. You already admitted you didn't ask your doctor for advice on vaccination.
     
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  7. Unveiled Artist

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    Isolated comments have multiple meanings and I don't like guessing.

    What do you mean by that?
     
  8. Unveiled Artist

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    What disinformation?

    Every fact I posted had a CDC citation and conspiracy theories (whichever you're speaking if?) is not allowed.

    So what are you talking about?

    Give me a concrete example without interpretation.

    Of course not.

    I only go to the doctor when I'm sick or concerned with symptoms from illnesses I have. Changing meds and things like that.

    Why on earth do I want to waste time, money,and my doctor's time to ask him about vaccination if I have no means to take it?

    What's your point?
     
  9. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    ... at a much lower rate.
     
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  10. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    If they actually do that, this is fine. That's the idea behind vaccine mandates in public places and workplaces.

    Vaccination mandates only catch unvaccinated people whose actions are putting other people in danger.
     
  11. Unveiled Artist

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    Yes. But they can still spread it.
     
  12. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    At a much lower rate.

    People who refuse to get vaccinated have made a decision to increase the risk of both getting COVID-19 themselves and passing it on to others.
     
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  13. Unveiled Artist

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    That's basically all I was saying/asking was vaccinated people can still spread the virus regardless probability.

    Unvaccinated people didn't increase their risk. The increase is relative to the vaccinated person who decreased their risk. Increase would mean if the unvax didn't social distance, travel,or took care of someone with COVID-that increases the odds not vaccination status.
     
  14. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    But what's your point with that?

    Vaccinated people have taken an important step to reduce their risk of spreading COVID-19. They haven't reduced that risk to zero, but so what?

    I meant that they chose increased risk relative to the other available options.

    Out of all the options available to them here and now, they chose the one with the highest odds that they'll kill other people.
     
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  15. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Just so I'm clear: are you agreeing that unvaccinated people shouldn't be doing any of these things?
     
  16. Unveiled Artist

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    It's started in 419 and 421.

    Unless vaccinated people believe they are no longer endangering others, the point is mute.

    Unvax people who, say, go to parties etc are definitely increasing their risk. Those who don't go out of their homes and not fifty feet near a person for the other to assume danger isn't putting people at risk.

    It depends on habits, sanitation, population, etc, etc, etc.

    We don't know the odds of each unvaccinated person. So, we wouldn't know unless we judged by what they do, live, and habits. Vax status says nothing about how or if one increased their odds it just says they choose not to decrease their odds.

    It's literally a blanketed statement: people who choose to unvax kill others.
     
  17. Unveiled Artist

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    Yes.
    No. One should-vax and unvaxed-not be limited given they say vax can spread the virus too.

    Since vax feel they are home free and unvax are ticking time bombs it opens up another problem...taking COVID for granted, segregating half the population, and loss jobs, etc to wait for herd immunity.

    It's a domino effect of disaster is how I see it. That, or it will go away on its own in a decade and vax can let people roam free. I don't know.
     
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    In my perception, I think it would be more responsible to let the sheep/herd be the ones experimented on, that place their blind faith in a new technology, rushed technology, get their synthetic mRNA biological software injected into them from Big Pharma. Something this rushed, is basically an experiment on mankind, this is the human trial phase. There was limited to no data on pregnancies, anti-Peg antibodies, or an array of people with many other diseases or conditions.

    Hardly any data is available to the public on what happens when mRNA-LNP formulations are stored for long periods of time. Not clear to what extent entrapping mRNA within LNPs influences the storage stability of the mRNA vaccine. Very little is known about the structure and morphology of LNPs formulated with mRNA, the chemical stability of the LNP components and the colloidal stability of the mRNA-LNP system.

    There are many things that they are running blind on, I don’t blame someone one bit for being cautious or waiting, regardless of all of the raging, hateful, inhumane, fearful, hysterical lunatics
    shaming or guilting anyone. Acting like psychological, indoctrinated cavemen from mainstream media.

    Sure, some go with the conspiracies but many go with what said above, they are critical thinkers and not so easily willing to just put something rushed into their bodies.
     
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    I can use the same arguments being used for objecting to vaccine mandates to drunk driving. Yee hah! It is party time tonight!
     
  20. F1fan

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    It means you are cherry picking expert advice and ignoring those of us pointing it out to you. You don't want to adjust your belief to fit into facts. You keep repeating distorted beliefs that do not reflect facts.
     
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