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No more babies being delivered at NY hospital

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by Kenny, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    100% chance?

    We're in contact with viruses all the time. Unvax have more of a chance to get infected but no one is god to know how much the infection will be serious...it depends on

    1. Health
    2. Age
    3. Habits
    4. And other risk factors

    If you coughed in my face without COVID I won't get sick. But since vax can spread the virus I'd stay 6 feet from you.

    Weird example because if you want to prevent harming others coughing in their face isn't the way to do it
     
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  2. Subduction Zone

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    Why do you not understand that you can spread the virus long before you "feel sick".

    Do you get tested every single day? Please answer yes or no.
     
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  3. Unveiled Artist

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    No.

    How does this relate to my reply?
     
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    You seemed to think that staying at home when you feel sick is somehow a preventative action. It is not good enough.

    One more time, A person can have this virus for up to a a week and be contagious without knowing it. Bu the time you "feel sick and stay home" it is too late.

    That is why you would need to get tested every day not to be a threat to others. Or to put it more correctly, for you not to be a bigger threat than a vaccinated person is to others. Vaccinated people can become ill too, but they do so at a lower rate.
     
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    It's also for those who were exposed to a known person with covid. For example if you were at work and was in the general vicinity of a co-worker who later tested positive, there is a possibility you are infected and must quarantine. And then get tested.

    Testing is more accurate.

    Covid is quite predictable. It's just that there is a significant percentage of citizens who refuse to follow expert advice. And the pandemic is destined to be endemic.
     
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  6. Unveiled Artist

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    Yes. Yes. Yes. I know. It seems like when you guys say these things over again it should spark a different reaction.

    My overall point, which is gone now, is that vaccinated can spread the virus too. I also said to @F1fan that both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can spread the virus if we caught COVID.
     
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    And I agree. They can. But they are not as big of a threat as you are.

    Do you understand that?
     
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  8. Unveiled Artist

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    True. There is a possibility.

    If the risk warranted it.

    Since this is a world wide pandemic, there's only but so much you can speak about people's individual circumstances before being off the mark.
     
  9. Unveiled Artist

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    Yes.

    Understanding doesn't change people's minds. Usually, they have an intrinsic motivation (say civic duty), high risk (say age or in a populated environment), because they are told they are in danger so that influences people, and just people's general sense of safety is breached.

    There are some vaccinated on RF who want to get back to normal life, not wear masks, and participate in everyday events. If those are incentives to get vaccinated, so be. It's more than understanding.
     
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    @Unveiled Artist , here is an analogy. Let's say that both you and a person with a blood alcohol volume of 0.15% were driving your cars. Now the odds of anyone getting into an accident at night goes up. Since both of you have an increased chance of getting into an accident and hurting someone else does that make it okay for the drunk person to drive?
     
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    I don't think that you fully understand. You keep ignoring the fact that vaccination lowers the chance of passing it on. The main reason it has not gone away is because of people refusing to get the vaccination.

    It is very hypocritical to wish for the days of no masks while refusing to get the vaccination.
     
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  12. Unveiled Artist

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    It depends on if I drink and drive. But if I were in that situation, the chances increase when its night time therefore hurting someone is probable. I don't see it as a good comparison though. If someone drinks and drives, swerve on the road, and hit someone we don't need to guess. We know what happened. If I went to a department store and someone got COVID there's no direct association even if people feel strongly there would be one in this scenario. The former goes off what we know and the latter goes off what's probable. I don't go off of probability of catching and spreading COVID unless I put myself in higher risk to warrant the worry-not because someone told me I should worry.

    There's a good amount of people who vaccinated out of fear, but most likely their worry was warranted. For example, some RF members have family members or knew people with COVID. Populations vary by country and people contact varies per, say, culture. Just so many things involved that if I were to vaccinate now it would be just because.
     
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    Okay, I don't want any members of RF to get sick and possibly die. But even more so I do not want to see any of you to be part of the problem and pass this disease on. This article has very recent evidence on Covid19:

    Delta variant vaccinated vs. unvaccinated: This new CDC chart shows how well COVID-19 vaccines work

    If you look at the charts you can see that vaccinated people can get Covid too. But at a much lower rate than vaccinated people. The unvaccinated are over five times more likely to get ill and as a result are over five times as likely to pass it on.
     
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  14. Unveiled Artist

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    I know this.

    I'm not sure what else you're getting at other than trying to change my mind even when I said I agree with you.

    I never disagreed with the facts, so.
     
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    So it is the ostrich defense.
     
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    It's not a defense. I make no excuses.

    I don't change my mind off of information and conversation. Usually there is some type of inner motivation people do the things they do. I highly doubt people took the vaccine just because even if they were all afraid for one reason or another.
     
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    It's kinda like someone driving through a school zone at 100 mph versus 10 mph. The unvaccinated high speed drivers will kill more people. It's NOT equal as a threat. You keep blowing off this huge difference as if we are all fools.
     
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    That gets you off the hook as one of many millions of non-vaxxers. I guess you won't think yourself responsible, but you are still part of the conspiracy.
     
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    You consistently show us this.
     
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  20. Unveiled Artist

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    I don't agree with that analogy.
    It's already putting unvax at fault and it's black and white thinking.

    Think of it like this. If you can follow along.

    I'm in a empty room unvaxed. I'm sitting on the floor minding my business.

    You come in without knowing my vac status. We talk and all is fine for an hour.

    Then I say I'm unvaxed. You are the one assuming the danger. You're assuming I put you in danger. It's your perception that those words mean I was going to harm you somehow. I'm not at fault for you believing you're in danger and any facts you bring up supports your own perception of threat.

    So you go home and catch COVID. All of the sudden you make a wild association it must be my fault.

    BUT I never said I had COVID. All that is on you. I just said I was unvaxed. You could have caught it from many reasons but humans tend to take common associations as facts before testing it.

    My point is a lot of this unvax putting people in danger exists only to those who believe it.

    I personally would worry if I knew someone had covid and they got in my face. Being unvax doesn't tell me what they have so why fret.

    It's in the eye of the beholder.
     
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