Would it matter to you to know if you were incorrect?
I'm pretty sure that your position would be the same even if the vaccine were 100% effective in preventing acquisition of the virus. Pfizer and Moderna both reported about a 95% reduction in cases in vaccinated people, meaning that unvaccinated people were 19 times more likely to acquire the virus. Also, before delta, they were also much less likely to transmit the virus, since they carried a much reduced viral load.
My argument wasn't vaccines are ineffective as a whole.
Vaccines, meds, whatever, have their level of efficiency some better than others.
COVID vaccine is no different
Yes, but my question was because vaccinated people can spread the virus too now with the Delta Variant, wouldn't they be putting people in danger too?
Vaccination just lessens the severity of the symptoms not whether the virus can transmit in one person more than others. I mean, you could just have a cough and still spread the virus
The comment has nothing to do with reduction rates.
I never disagreed with any scientific information you guys present.
That's changed with delta. Pzifer reported that its vaccine was still 91% effective against that variant, meaning that the unvaccinated were only about ten times likelier to acquire the virus in any given setting. If 1000 vaccinated and 1000 unvaccinated people were exposed to the virus such that 200 of the unvaccinated became seropositive (20%), with 95% protection, only 10 of the 1000 vaccinated would become positive, and with 91% protection, about 20 of the vaccinated would convert.
But my question had to do with asymptomatic transmission among vaccinated people.
However, we are told that the vaccinated with delta COVID are now just as likely to infect others as are the unvaccinated with active disease. So although there are fewer infected vaccinated people to spread the disease, those few are no longer also less contagious than the unvaccinated with COVID.
But they can still spread it right?
But I don't think that matters to you. I don't think any fact or evidence can make you change your mind, except possibly the horror of watching a COVID death in a loved one, and possibly not even that. That one seems to convert a few of the staunchest holdouts, especially the ones dying, although for them, it is too late. Only the survivors witnessing the suffering and the pleas of the dying to not do what he did have a chance of benefiting from evidence.
All this is your opinion. It's personal to you, I get that.
My question/comment was about asymptomatic transmission among the vaccinated.
There's also a chance that things will become so much more difficult for the unvaccinated that they will relent and get the vaccine just to keep their jobs, or to be able to participate more fully in social life. They may get tired of being unable to fly, to go to all restaurants, to see ballgames and concerts.
But short of those two, I don't see any fact being relevant to people still willfully unvaccinated.
Vaccinated people aren't special in these regards. I mean there are near 50% (US Coronavirus vaccine tracker) of people in the US who are not vaccinated. I'm not sure if that 50% some odd percent willingfully won't take the vaccine. Media and government makes it to where those unvaccinated are on purpose. I think we're a handful. Maybe anti-vax people a bit larger crowd but not enough to cause damage.