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No more babies being delivered at NY hospital

Discussion in 'COVID-19' started by KenS, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. KenS

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    Just have to tell the babies to wait

    Actually health services can do without unvaccinated staff,

    In France you cannot even be admitted to hospital unless you are vaccinated against covid 19. Except on cases of emergency
     
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  4. KenS

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    That is a good question... I just spoke to someone in the school system and their response was not about the vaccination but about the dictatorial position of being forced. The issue, "what will they force me to do and say on the next go-around?"
     
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    For example:

    Healthcare workers who felt under pressure from their employer to receive the Covid-19 vaccine were more likely to refuse it, research has shown.

    The study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, was led by the London School of Hygiene and Tropic Medicine in collaboration with the NHS Race and Health Observatory, Public Health England and the RCN. It surveyed 1,917 health and social care workers including 572 nurses and midwives.

    Participants were asked to judge on a four-point scale how pressured they felt from their employer to get a Covid vaccine. For each additional point of agreement on the scale, they were 75% more likely to have declined the vaccination, the study found.

    The findings suggested pressure from an employer only eroded trust, negatively impacted relationships at work and even hardened stances on declining the Covid vaccine. Healthcare workers instead told the researchers they wanted to be able to ask about the jab without feeling judged.

    Lead author Dr Sadie Bell argued that the findings ‘emphasise the importance of Covid-19 vaccination remaining voluntary’ and that employers need to ‘offer a space for their staff to have “conversations” where they feel safe to ask about Covid-19 vaccination.’ ... https://www.nursinginpractice.com/c...pressure-more-likely-to-refuse-covid-vaccine/
     
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    I wonder if that's why there is a surge in patients in hospitals-not so much getting the vaccine but their work environment. I know a few people who change good earning jobs because of their work environment. That, and I assume that medics have to get vaccines for other viruses and illnesses so if they were compliant then in hospital policies its probably more than getting the vaccine.

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    I think most people need intrinsic motivation to vaccinate not extrinsic. Incentives and job loss are ultimatums, but when it comes to one's health it's a bit more than offering bonuses.
     
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    One has to wonder when one is forced to comply with something that is supposed to be for his health. Are we next going to be forced to quit eating anything that is deemed unhealthy by the powers that be? Are we going to be forced to get a certain amount of exercise?
     
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    Well it's not like they are being forced to wear a burka. Businesses and community leaders are facing serious consequences of massive infections if they don't set mandates. Their decisions are for the sake of public health because there is a large number of citizens who are not taking safety measures seriously. As I keep saying if citizens don't want to wear masks or get vaccinated then they need to not go out in public, or let their kids go to school. The minority anti-vaxers need to suffer the consequences of their own decisions, and not impose it onto the rest of society.

    If there is a next go-around it'll be because not enough people accept expert advice and cooperated with the society they are part of.
     
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    Well insurance companies do that by charging people with unhealthy diet and exercise habits more in premiums. So these private companies do penalize poor judgment.

    But your comment that suggests the pandemic isn't all that serious is typical disinformation from right wing media. Is that what has influenced your dismissive attitude about the pandemic?

    You seem to be implying that certain governments and businesses are imposing mandates for vaccination as if they are doing it for political reasons. That is the opposite. Covid is real, the USA is seeing massive increases in infection rates and deaths, and this happening at a time when kids are going back to school could open the door to even more spread, more disrupted lives, more pressure on hospitals, more deaths, more impact on the economy. I wonder what conservatives really believe in these days, it doesn't seem to be pro-life or pro-America. Perhaps you can explain why you don't think Covid is a public health risk.
     
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    Teachers are forced to do many things.
    What's odd is that they seize upon this one thing,
    a thing that's useful in curbing a pandemic, as
    their line in the sand against government control.

    Teachers....where I live, they're all Democrats &
    pro-union. They love having government control
    others...& raising their taxes.
    It seems that when a little useful control comes in
    their direction, all a sudden they become anarchists.
     
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    Not forcing, they have a choice, they chose to leave.
     
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    Another resource
    Why won’t some health care workers get vaccinated? - Harvard Health
    People keep saying: listen to the facts facts facts/misinformation/listening to science like it's a magic wand (even though medical professionals know the facts than someone who isn't a medic), if they don't have inherent trust then they can know the facts all they want but that's just not going to keep.

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    How many people would take the vaccine given what we know "and" don't know if they weren't doing it to help others?
     
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    Imagine the stress of people who face being infected by non-vaccinated people in their work place. If a person can't feel safe at work then their stress will be very high. I keep hearing concerns about people who don't want to wear a mask or get a vaccines as if they are under some threat somehow or being infringed upon. This is an ideological issue, and they are getting a lot of attention. From this ideological view there's little respect given to those who fear being infected by non-vaccinated and non-masked people. This is anti-social, anti-science, and anti-reason.

    Why isn't being safer from Covid enough motivation? Right wing disinformation. Why isn't the goal of herd immunity enough motivation? Right wing disinformation. Why isn't public health something that is an interest and duty for all citizens? Right wing rhetoric complaining about individual freedom. They never mention the personal responsibility a citizen has to the society they rely on.
     
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    Whatever the logic is, when push comes to shove, there will be reverberating consequences to where, perhaps, we can find other alternatives. What will be weightier? A non-coughing, no-fever unvaccinated person or a ruptured appendix that won't be addressed because the medical profession quit.
     
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    How so, though?

    Do insurance companies follow their clients everywhere they go to see if they are eating more hamburgers than usual a week or smoking every day rather than a one month cigarettes'?
     
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    We might go back to burying in our own personally owned land. Good fertilizer?
     
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    Or 43 ICUs being so full that someone dies because of all of those who thought they were non-coughing, non-fever BUT COVID sick disease spreaders.
     
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    That's a good option for those who reject the medicine that God, through the mechanism of medical science, has provided.
     
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