1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured No Messiah Mention in KJV New Testament

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by George-ananda, Aug 18, 2017.

  1. Grandliseur

    Grandliseur Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,236
    Ratings:
    +576
    Religion:
    Pragmatic Christian
    Actually, I just wanted to spell out to those who do not know how or what anointing means and how it is done -i.e., what it means.

    I didn't intent any slight regarding your post. Sorry. I should have included some of what you explained in my first post since the words Messiah and Christ are used a lot but perhaps not known for their function.
     
  2. cbullion

    cbullion Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2017
    Messages:
    50
    Ratings:
    +1
    Religion:
    Christianity
    (INRI, I*/Rape/M*, the people want to know what the state and church here in usa has been doing to the Antichrist, how they use my mother to violate my body daily, and my brother's children, perhaps under the instruction of the philadelphia police department (I don't want these people prosecuted or anything, this is your conviction) ... all of this will be spoken openly, if I am given the means to properly address the public, otherwise, I can image phasing out the 33 days of Jonah, based on what's already happened as a challenge of faith for your sin) (otherwise, some of these activities in your conviction may continue for a few more years)

    God has specifically rebuked Abraham's description of the Messiah for the New Testament (there is no special, clause or anything, that gives you a legal right to violate the body of the Two Witnesses, or, to assume that God has not given favor to the Deadly Head Wound, all of this will be revealed soon, i'm sure)

    NEHEMIAH 9:7 Thou [art] the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
    NEHEMIAH 9:8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girga****es, to give [it, I say], to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou [art] righteous:
    NEHEMIAH 9:9 And didst see the affliction of our fathers in Egypt, and heardest their cry by the Red sea;

    Abraham was blessed by the Heaven and the Earth..............when Moses comes into view (Two Witnesses), then we see God denounce the Blessing of the Earth................After Jesus answered the Hebrews about Abraham, then it was unclean to refer to Jesus as the "Messiah":

    GALATIANS 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    1. Love God with all your Heart by the Chastisement of the Word
    2. Love the Son of God by keeping your person in holy communion as the marriage, in which we are the wife

    God has removed the "Anointing of the Earth", from Jesus, to reveal the Heathen in the new testament that have no part in the covenant. (what the ethnic people do with me, is violate my body se*ually or physically, or in a diverse way, and in connection with their blasphemy against God or murder, that is where INRI comes into play) (As I've said the Antichrist, based on God's Mercy has a very easy or revealing the church and state as the enemy of the people and its own interest, by very clearly, cooperating with the authorities, when I am asked to leave, then I will do so, ethnics will not receive any of god's mercies, and neither will the people in the name of the state and church, so, that, as he goes from one country to the next, your intentions and rebuke of the people is throughly furnished..............that said..............emphasis on the deadly head wound is the legal right to invalidate the blunt god's mercies, as we've discussed, also highlighting our inability to kill or cause me a certain level of suffering and pain.................you can go for god's mercies or suffer in pain for seven years, all of this will begin to be resolved in a few days)

    (that is the problem with the black knight satellite and the third temple, based in INRI, you don't have a legal right to those expressions, since they are not off world, but all of that being true, these are mechanism to resolve INRI, all of this will be resolved soon)

    (the best I've done with the philadelphia police department, was, called a few police officers to witness these people use lethal force against me and then turn on themselves, but they cut me out of the media report, as this is done weekly and daily with their kinds, until we reach the next level)

    (then when they develop rabies, many of your careers will be over, maybe your lives also, so I understand a lot is riding on my behavior in setting up things for the next few months, in the next few days)

    (Abram God voiced his Covenant, then when God called him Abraham, God voiced his Covenant Again to reflect the New Testament Transition................Jesus called that to mind with the Hebrews, he didn't have to correct the position)
     
    #42 cbullion, Aug 19, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2017
  3. Ingledsva

    Ingledsva HEATHEN ALASKAN

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2011
    Messages:
    9,391
    Ratings:
    +2,486
    WOW! Twisted! Just twisted! o_O

    *
     
  4. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2007
    Messages:
    58,352
    Ratings:
    +16,313
    Religion:
    None (atheist)
    Not this again.
    Handy tip: if you're going to try to peddle ridiculous nonsense to people, it's helpful to specify which sort of ridiculous nonsense you're trying to sell that day. You have so many already that it's hard to keep track as it is, and you seem to keep finding new ones.

    The fact that it's not always obvious what you're trying to argue is not a point in favour of your argument.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  5. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,822
    Ratings:
    +5,330
    Religion:
    Advaita and Spiritualist and Pantheist
    Very valid subject to discuss for those that have looked into this stuff.
    I already stated I could have been clearer in the OP and took the blame for any confusion.

    As to your insinuation that I am trying to 'peddle ridiculous nonsense to people'; for some of you that would include just about any paranormal/crypto/alien discussions.

    What got lost in your lust for attack is that I am not even trying to peddle this belief (Messias disappearing from KJV) as I hold no strong opinion on it. I was interested though in hearing what old-school Bible experts would have to say on a subject in which I don't claim expertise.
     
  6. KenS

    KenS Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    12,017
    Ratings:
    +3,676
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    Actually, at this point your position is quite mute as not has it now been demonstrated that it is included in the NT, but also that the Greek language translated it with the word "Cristos" which is the Hebrew translated.

    So, why would it not be peddling from this point forward?
     
  7. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,822
    Ratings:
    +5,330
    Religion:
    Advaita and Spiritualist and Pantheist
    Ken, you might have misunderstood the conversation you are commenting on. Do you understand what the 'Mandela Effect' controversy is?
     
  8. KenS

    KenS Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    12,017
    Ratings:
    +3,676
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    Yes...

    Maybe I have misunderstood as the "Mandela effect" came in your second post and not the original.

    What does the Mandela Effect have anything to do with the word Messiah?
     
  9. cbullion

    cbullion Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2017
    Messages:
    50
    Ratings:
    +1
    Religion:
    Christianity
    MATTHEW 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
    MATTHEW 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
    MATTHEW 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
    MATTHEW 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    MATTHEW 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
    MATTHEW 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


    (Jesus is not called a "Messiah", or "High Priest" beyond the Old Testament. Because that is true, the Apostles did not ask when he would return, they asked only what would be the "Sign of Your Coming") (Jesus does answer the "Sign of His Coming", as "Jonah's Whale", this is where 33 Days for 33 Degrees or 8/21 to 9/23 comes in, as we've discussed)

    (The way God's Mercies are structured: "Mars Colony, Off World Andromeda, Third Temple (Space Station?), Black Knight Satellite (Jonah's Whale) ..................... none of that involves the earth directly, there's no placation for sin and no curtailing of the gospel, you'll suffer with Genetic Dan and Aaron's Rampages until this elevates into pure murder/suicide with the Sign of Divorce, during the 7 Year Period ................... (There is no Sign of Divorce, then there is no Higgs Boson, this argument is implied, based on the extermination of Genetic Dan, and the nations with no favor, however, God appears to answer us at the last 1260 Day Cycle, following revelations descriptions)

    (As for me, INRI (I*/Rape/M*), like Genetic Dan, is a pleasure for Aaron, in removing Aaron from the Covenant.........that said.........God's Will is more important, depending on how this plays out, I won't have any contact with any relatives or ethnic persons, that will take a more fuller stance with your suffering and pain, God so far has allowed man to kill itself by using force against the "Two Witnesses", but we will have our answer soon.)

    (Genetic Dan and Aaron will together continue to satisfy your pleasure, in promoting peace, and not the extermination of itself, namely Genetic Dan. I believe this will last until God, if God decides to answer you about the Sign of Divorce...................If and when God answers us on 8/21 to 9/23, then that will stop North Korea or any other country from trying to Nuke New York City, because of your pleasure with me, in the expression of the 9/11/2001 Falling Man. They will exterminate Genetic Dan in their borders, and wait until the 1260 day last cycle, before they begin to burn those countries and yours the usa if necessary)

    (Using some form of INRI, to help kill Genetic Dan and Aaron from the Covenant, then, after the Black Knight Satellite is not in my power, you can suffer, pain for pain or use the deadly head would to solicit god's mercies................until God gives you a more direct answer if that happens with the Sign of Divorce, this should ensure they continue to take their own lives and yours also, as a result of your sin and pleasure..............outside of that...............God's Mercies sheds light on your death sentence, an the urgency of euthanasia for genetic dan, in addition to any global humantarian effects of the increase measure of Joseph the Blessings) (All of this will be settled in a few days, in the mean time, what the church and state use my relatives to do to me daily is true, and that may carry on into the future as apart of your conviction) (Alois Irlmaier, predicted that the Pope John Paul II and his Father would Abuse his body to a certain age, and then his mother would follow suit, under the authority of the church..............right now the reign of Pope John Paul II's conviction of INRI is being disputed with God, but all of this will be settled soon, perhaps with, "pain for pain" continuing, as I've said, the levels of 2013 to 2014 are good, if we can achieve that again this year even) (I believe right now, the Antichrist believes, he can both satisfy God, and continue the level of your conviction, but he has to see certain, to be sure)
     
    #49 cbullion, Aug 20, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2017
  10. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,822
    Ratings:
    +5,330
    Religion:
    Advaita and Spiritualist and Pantheist
    OK. let me help. Some people are saying the KJV used to use the word 'Mesias or Messiak', but that it no longer does. How it could change defies common sense. But the Mandela Effect proponents posit things like memories from different alternate realities can collide.

    So some people are claiming that there used to be much use of the word 'Mesias' in the KJV but today, inexplicable to normal reasoning, they can no longer find it used many times in the KJV New Testament. Reality has changed for them is the claim.

    Here's a Link Messiah Erased
     
  11. cbullion

    cbullion Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2017
    Messages:
    50
    Ratings:
    +1
    Religion:
    Christianity
    ........................
    (Old Testament)
    1.
    God the Father = Genealogy of Genesis 5 (Enos is given a name of Enoch so God can witness of God)
    2. God the Son = Genealogy of Genesis 11 (Abram is named Abraham, the Homosapien begins the Gospel, God compares himself to a Man)
    3. God the Holy Spirit = Genealogy of Genesis 10 (God compares himself to a Serpent/Rainbow, describing babylon the great, and the house of the gentiles)

    (New Testament, No Messiah, Mandela Effect?)
    1.
    God the Father = Genealogy of Luke's 70 Angels for the 70 Weeks of Daniel
    2. God the Son = Genealogy of Matthew's 42 Angels for 1260 Days/42 Months of the Revelation (for the body of Jesus)
    3. God the Holy Spirit = Genealogy of the Crucifixion (See Notes Below) (its not deleted, its reversed, because the earth is not the focal point, but God has intentions to reveal his mercies, in new testament)

    (69th to 70th Week of Daniel or 7 Years of Revelation, "No Messiah")
    MATTHEW 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
    MATTHEW 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
    JOHN 21:2 There were together Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana (Canaan) in Galilee, and the [sons] of Zebedee, and two other of his disciples.
    JOHN 21:3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.
    II SAMUEL 5:14 And these [be] the names of those that were born unto him in Jerusalem; Shammua, and Shobab, and Nathan, and Solomon,
    II SAMUEL 5:15 Ibhar also, and Elishua, and Nepheg, and Japhia,
    II SAMUEL 5:16 And Elishama, and Eliada, and Eliphalet.
    II SAMUEL 5:17 But when the Philistines heard that they had anointed David king over Israel, all the Philistines came up to seek David; and David heard [of it], and went down to the hold.

    (God removed, rather turncoated, the genealogy of the Giants, he has used to connected with his mercy in the gospel, and voiced this information another way in the New Testament...............For this reason many believe the shorter length of the Gospel of John, is legal evidence of God's Intentions about, "No Messiah" declaration from Daniel that he reinforces....................God does not use Canaan to voice his mercies God uses "Tyre and Sidon" in the New Testament, and in 2 Samuel 5, God makes this illustration with David, and he does, he gives us a Genealogy of the Giants.....................David is called the "Messiah" = Anointed of Heaven and Earth, but David quickly repents of that position by leaving Jerusalem......................God's Mercies today does not involve the Planet Earth Directly, here you have a battle of euthanasia with Genetic Dan, dead work and dead flesh, to emphasis that, and God's Mercies at the same time, most of this behavior is Off World as we've stated) (Jesus is not called "Messiah", namely because you have to kill Dead Work and Dead Flesh, this does not automatically mean, there will be no mercy from God on display, INRI is the reason there is nothing, as God answer the problem of INRI you have with me, at the same time, God appears to answer the question of his mercy during these 33 Days, so that is very soon in the near future)
     
    #51 cbullion, Aug 20, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2017
  12. KenS

    KenS Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    12,017
    Ratings:
    +3,676
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    Ok... I checked the link but I didn't find any hard facts just a position of thought.

    We did find it used in the KJV and the very word "Christ" or "Anointed One" is another word that means the same thing as it refers to the OT.

    So I don't see any effect. The only "effect" I see is someone trying to make something out of nothing.
     
  13. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,822
    Ratings:
    +5,330
    Religion:
    Advaita and Spiritualist and Pantheist
    Ok, thanks. I wanted to get feedback from people who have seriously studied the Bible.
     
  14. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,822
    Ratings:
    +5,330
    Religion:
    Advaita and Spiritualist and Pantheist
    But then why is the word 'Messiah' so known and strong in western culture?
     
  15. ben d

    ben d Being

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2007
    Messages:
    8,759
    Ratings:
    +1,047
    Religion:
    Yes
    Yes George, I am of the opinion that the KJV New Testament is being corrupted on another item, the Lord's Prayer Luke11:2 The words "Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth." were never a part of it (btw,they were in Matthew version) , but it has been added in the not so distant past. If one understands the message of Jesus, he never taught that Earth would become Heavenly like, rather that Heaven was a spiritual domain and aspirants needed to be reborn as spirit to realize Heaven.

    Here is the original Luke Lord's Prayer as all bibles once generally translated it, and most still do....Luke “ 11:2-4 When you pray,” returned Jesus, “you should say, ‘Father, may your name be honoured—may your kingdom come! Give us each day the bread we need, and forgive us our sins, for we forgive anyone who owes anything to us; and keep us clear of temptation.’”

    So the KJV has now been modified to say..."2-4 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil."

    I can only see dark mischief at work...
     
  16. cbullion

    cbullion Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2017
    Messages:
    50
    Ratings:
    +1
    Religion:
    Christianity
    (INRI, Jesus already indicated that he substituted, "Joseph the Blessings" (Category of God's Mercy or Judgment), with "Pain for Pain" on Cross at Crucifixion (by completely removing that genealogy from the new testament)......................this is stated in Revelation 11 ("Pain for Pain")

    ROMANS 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
    ROMANS 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    ROMANS 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

    The Missing Genealogy of the Holy Spirit, as we've indicated in the New Testament. Is in part designed to illustrate the wickedness of man fighting against God, by their uncleanness in the earth, until the time of judgment...........................In this context, Jesus called the "Messiah" the Swine he cast into the Sea, to illustrate the difference in spirituality from the saved and the unsaved, by observing the transition of the 10 Commandments in the New Testament (when the gospel was completed) was given, as we've said...........................Long story short, today is 8/21, and you are already three day behind the 1260th Day of Flight 370.................for that reason alone, nothing will happen today, and nothing 33 Days from now, and nothing also for 7 years until the 153 Days of Star Wormwood.

    (I believe also there will be more truth, now, with "Pain for Pain", the ethnics that take their lives by using force against me, can at any time, make something up and use imprisonment or death. You can do the same thing.......its not just their pleasure in causing pain, it is their desire to not give god the glory though me.........so its is doubtful they will do anything more against me during these seven last years...............city hall in philadelphia I'll be there today, you should use a few plain cloths police officers, you have to use euthanasia if they turn on people after god drives them from me, if they want to die, openly as the enemy of god, and the enemy of man, you can't stop that, but you can do what is right, and offer a volunteer assisted suicide program, if that is what they want, then, what you are doing is wrong by not giving it to them)

    (lots more traditional studies of the bible coming up during these seven years I'm sure (don't view those people with integrity or dignity, but instead, only view weather or not the Antichrist is in suffering or pain by their hands and for how long, this is a dispute of theirs and yours, legal right to live) (If God does nothing, sure, the Nuclear threats for the USA about 9/11/2001 and New York are valid, and they intend to burn you good, over that dispute with god "i.imgur.com/UiogWZu.png", just one small public safety message for the authorities)

    (there didn't have to be a war on terrorism, or any cop killings, after I recieve a certain of suffering or pain, God will openly illustrate euthanasia of the ethnics and those involved, this is what keeps these people tamed, and this also limits their willingness to teach global genocide by attacking the testimony of the Two Witnesses, right now, we'll have to see again, what is necessary, what needs to be done surrounding 8/21 to 9/23) (at all times your to use them to use force, and lethal force, towards these goals, just one small passive, public safety message, the police departments and the heads of state sometimes do not receive my legal agenda and goals) (as you will see and know, if this is too much to handle, you have to use the deadly head wound)
     
    #56 cbullion, Aug 21, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2017
  17. KenS

    KenS Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2013
    Messages:
    12,017
    Ratings:
    +3,676
    Religion:
    Judeo/Christian
    Because it is the Hebrew term for the anointed one, like unto Moses, that would come... the Messiah. (Jesus - The Christ - Greek term for anointed)
     
    #57 KenS, Aug 21, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2017
  18. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,822
    Ratings:
    +5,330
    Religion:
    Advaita and Spiritualist and Pantheist
    Yes there are several Bible changes being talked about. Are you familiar with the Mandela Effect where some people claim that reality has changed (or that there are multiple versions of reality that we can experience).
    I'm not sure what is at work at this point. I haven't seen anything really harmful though.
     
  19. ben d

    ben d Being

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2007
    Messages:
    8,759
    Ratings:
    +1,047
    Religion:
    Yes
    The Mandela effect if I understand it correctly appears to be somewhat incompatible with my understanding of the underlying structure of reality, ie. that the physical plane is a world of effects, the causal planes, generally considered arbitrarily being seven in number, are of much higher vibration and beyond objective detection by physical science.

    Thus causes from the higher planes/dimensions are reflected in each of the cosmic planes as descending cause and effect until it reaches the lowest, the physical domain. Because galaxies, stars, planets, are always moving, orbiting, and rotating through 'virgin' space, uncorrupted memory traces of the cause and effect vibrations in each of the planes remain behind as the Akashic record of all that happened on each of the planes.

    It follows that human souls, who for whatever reason develop the capability to experience quickened evolutionary unfoldment that provides access to the higher planes without fully knowing what and who they really are, and how and where their experiences all fits together to be apprehended as an indivisible unity, will get very confused.

    The planetary evolutionary cycle has four sub-cycles as reflected in the prophecy of Daniel and the four ages of the four beasts, and the four yugas of Hinduism. I am of the opinion that the world is approaching a darker period on the physical plane, ie, forth beast/kali yuga, and thus there is a falling away from correct understanding, teaching, and practice of religion, resulting in ever increasing growth in the number of atheists, agnostics, and believers in apostate religion. Scripture is being corrupted.
     
  20. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    14,822
    Ratings:
    +5,330
    Religion:
    Advaita and Spiritualist and Pantheist
    We have very similar thinking then. But why do you say the Mandela Effect is somewhat incompatible with this. The Mandel effect is just saying that we can have genuine memories of things that are not officially that way in our collective universe.

    Some say our Causal Bodies/Souls experience through multiple physical created realities to maximize spiritual wisdom attainment.
     
Loading...