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Featured No Messiah Mention in KJV New Testament

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by George-ananda, Aug 18, 2017.

  1. wizanda

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    John is made up....Yet it uses it clearly, and it is there in the Strongs references. :innocent:

    John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias (G3323), which is, being interpreted, the Christ (G5547).

    John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias (G3323) cometh, which is called Christ (G5547): when he is come, he will tell us all things.


     
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    Well, I just found it is because you didn't account for the old spelling. It is found here:
    John 1: 41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
    John 4:25: The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
    You do know that the word Messiah is from Hebrew and means the same as the Greek, Christ. The word Christ appears a lot of times in the NT since it mostly is written in Greek.
     
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  3. George-ananda

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    OK, good catch. My question then is; Does it seem strange that the word ONLY appears twice now in the entire New Testament?

    I am questioning a view some people on the internet have that God has (paranormally) changed the KJV to improve and modernize it. Are old-school Bible students going to say wtf when they only see it in these places in John? This is all related to something called the Mandela Effect. Their claims require outside the box reasoning.
     
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    OK, good catch. My question then is; Does it seem strange that the word ONLY appears twice now in the entire New Testament?

    I am questioning a view some people on the internet have that God has (paranormally) changed the KJV to improve and modernize it. Are old-school Bible students going to say wtf when they only see it in these places in John? This is all related to something called the Mandela Effect. Their claims require outside the box reasoning.
     
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    John being a fabrication is filling in the gaps for the Jews; the word Messiah has been translated into Christos in Greek in most cases.
    Life is/was like a box of chocolates; someone eat all the smooth ones, and left all the nuts. :confused:
    Word Counts: How Many Times Does a Word Appear in the Bible?

    BibleGateway - : messiah

    The words used in the additional NASV listed are Christos in Greek.
    This is true, yet in reverse, it is a book that is sealed to many whilst they perceive they're holding it the right way up to begin. (Isaiah 29:9-11). :innocent:
     
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    I personally don't think so.

    The word of Messiah in Hebrew is the word anointed used 37 times and Messiah only 2 times.

    In the New Testament, it is also used 2 times with it's interpretation as "The Christ"... therefore "The Christ" is the Greek form for "anointed" and thus it means exactly the same thing. Therefore, no only does it go within the parameter of the OT (and they were waiting for the Messiah) but also the new language of Greek simply used its Greek interpretation.

    Like a contract that at first gives the full name and then says "And herein shall be designation as 'payee'". Whenever 'payee' is found it automatically assigns it the full name.
     
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    (Messiah is Anointed of Heaven and Earth, because the Women Violated the Gospel's Law as Given in Daniel, by calling Jesus the Messiah, the Women was not allowed to see the body of Jesus in the Tomb)

    ISAIAH 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
    ISAIAH 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
    I CORINTHIANS 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
    HEBREWS 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;


    We are told not to call Christ a "High Priest" or a "Messiah" in the New Testament. When God gave the complete/perfect law of the gospel that was completed with Jesus. Then at that time, we were commanded, to love our person as the Christ, and we do not need a "High Priest", a "Messiah", or a Ceremonial Law, or Intercession from the Church for that process of faith.

    This process of replacing the 10 Commandments with:

    1. Love God through the Chastisement of the Written Word in your Heart
    2. Love Jesus though the Chastisement of your Person as the Marriage, in which we are the bride

    Then at that time, God began to deliver a death blow the "Dead Work and Dead Flesh", because, God revealed the people that destroy the Gospel's Message, as them also, that destroy the people and the earth (namely Genetic Dan and the nations with no favor from God)......................This only begins to be revealed when we reach the Seven Years of Revelation, when Daniel says THE CURSE OF HAVING NO MESSIAH, AND NO HIGH PRIEST, is revisited upon that generation, of the untoward men.

    (Genetic Dan is the enemy of God and Man, this will become self evident, now in dealing with Aaron, the best response I've come up with so far, is 33 Days Paralleling Jonah to illustrate god's mercies, (that includes off world andromeda, mars base colony, maybe third temple also) (then after the 33 Days, the Antichrist will be a man once again, and then he will encourage you to follow through with the "Deadly Head Wound" (Nguyen Van Lem) to solicit God's Mercies, that is isolating most of this behavior off of earth, sort to speak, that is the general program) (then when genetic dan is euthanized globally by god so will all of the nations with no sign of divorce, so it will be like nothing has happened at all as a result of your sin, and pleasure with INRI, until you die)

    1. Jesus was Anointed of the Heaven and Earth in Old Testament
    2. Jesus is Anointed of Heaven, but not of the Earth in order to reveal the hearts of men in the New Testament (and complete their conviction)
    3. "Joseph the Blessings" is the equation that will reveal "Dead Work and Dead Flesh", right now it is only suicide of Genetic Dan as a result of using force against the Two Witnesses at the Global Level, until this measurement increases, you have three cycles of 1260 Days in Revelation, now we are approaching cycle number 2, at the 8/21 Cosmic Mayan Cross Alignment of the Mandrid Fault Line Cross in the USA

    (INRI, "Pain for Pain" will take a different form as we've discussed, but eventually as it stands God intends to reveal the Sign of Divorce during the last 1260 Day Cycle, if that is all true, then Nuclear Cleansing will not serve God's Will or Intentions until that time, you can follow in God's footsteps and use an assisted suicide program to keep the peace going towards that goal, in some areas of the usa and globally given the dynamics of the population, you will not have a choice)

    (right now, genetic dan/aaron is the phony and the clown of murder/suicide, so they will not use lethal force and end their lives according to god's will if the Antichrist arguments are infallible, as infallible as their inability of killing or causing a certain level of suffering and pain, but there is no false witnessing, and no blasphemy against god taking place, as their lives begin to come to a full and complete close)

    (more or less, the Antichrist reveals God's Mercies, and then they can become yours by using the deadly head wound, so i won't curtail much beyond that, not involving genetic dan in any of god's mercies as a conflict of interest, that is to say, you will suffer willfully and die willfully for these last seven years, because the gospel affords that as a result of your sin, then everything is solved with the condemnation of the sign of divorce by reason of dead work and dead flesh)

    (Lives Don't Matter and Suicide by Cop, as well as internationally, Suicide Migration Movements, did not really begin until Flight 370, so, at the next level you will begin to see more, until you begin to see corpses every day in many streets in the usa and other mixed population countries as a result of what is necessary)
     
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    So it's really about the Mandela effect then and not the Bible? This should be a pretty black and white determination givin that versions and age of numerous Bible's can be compared to see if the word Messiah is listed in the texts or not.
     
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    Yes, it is about the Mandela Effect claims in regards to the Bible.

    However, if you understand what the Mandela Effect is saying it is the opposite of anything black and white as it considers things like reality not being one and fixed. Some think those old bibles look different to people now then they did ito people in the past.
     
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    Babushka Lady and Umbrella Man – the enduring mystery of the unidentified JFK witnesses

    ("No Messiah"! (Nguyen Van Lem) The USA has two great unfortunate acts of fiction. The first great act of fiction was its taking credit for the Nuclear Bombings of Japan, Asia had used the Testimony of the Antichrist as its Legal Reason to Rampage, their activities during WW1 and WW2, aren't really classified as Warfare...................God allowed the Antichrist to illustrate God's Mercies and Intentions, but that was it, he was not the politician or the ruler of the nations..................They were expected to be faithful and they failed..................JFK had followed in the footsteps of Asia and used this as the legal reason to hurt american citizens by utilizing them for a cuban war, under those premises, and God acted out the result of that sin which was also the conviction ascribed to Nguyen Van Lem.)

    (The Second great act of fiction the USA undertook, was the Moon Landings..................After 1968, Nguyen Van Lem was last seen on the Moon, somewhere near the Location of the Third Temple (perhaps that is not the moon itself, but like a space station). More or less around time, Vietnam had a great flood, and the USA also completed another act of fiction and took credit for that)

    (Fast Forward to today, God has not greater or lesser expectation for the Antichrist, you were allowed to kill the first time around, but this time around, it is 34 years (same as before) and then 33 Days (instead of completing the testimony) then 7 Years, and finally 153 Days.) (I believe that North Korea may be going for the title of giving the USA the enemy of God and Man, to have God burn them with fire, but I don't see that happening, all the same, God is not responding the same way, to stave off the blind and dumbness of the people. So just won't be able to contribute that to God's Mercies........So Far God has been staving off the ethnic people's slander of my testimony, as the enemy of god and man, that is where you have been making up the difference, in giving these people money and guns to hurt yourselves more at the global level................for that reason I believe you will feel a great deal more pain at your own hands, so that is why everything will be done as I've described, until you reach a maximum of pain around the last 1260 day cycle)

    (Nguyen Van Lem was allowed to die because that is what God wanted, in completing a conviction. That may not be what God wants now, but we can and will use God's Mercies to reveal your conviction, and your responsibility of dead work and dead flesh as your conviction of sin, in preparation for the fig leaves/sign of divorce)

    (Don't forget about our potential trip to andromeda near sutton and macdade blvd, as we've discussed, believe me you are not causing me any pain, by using the deadly head wound reaction, do you know what these ethnic people do with me, with knives, guns and vehicles, weekly and daily?)
     
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    Interesting... I have read the Bible and studied it for some time and I don't remember every reading that. Could you reference that?
     
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    HOSEA 9:10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: [but] they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto [that] shame; and [their] abominations were according as they loved.
    LUKE 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
    LUKE 22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,


    (God doesn't want Jesus called, "Messiah", or "High Priest", because he modified the 10 Commandments to just, Love God's Chastisement of your Heart with his Word, and Love your Person as Marriage to Jesus)

    (Jesus called this the Sorrow, of separating himself from the Anointing of the Earth, so that the Hearts of Men would be revealed and their conviction completed)

    (Around 8/21, I intend to cut the 33 Days short, and return to earth, without making any declarations, weather you choose to believe or not, "I don't care", weather you choose to act on god's mercies, we will see. So you must remember, that attributing your suffering and pain to god or the Antichrist is not intelligible, and will result in the Antichrist pulling of something like this)

    EXODUS 27:21 In the tabernacle of the congregation without the vail, which [is] before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall order it from evening to morning before the LORD: [it shall be] a statute for ever unto their generations on the behalf of the children of Israel.
    LUKE 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
    LUKE 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

    God says the "Messiah" or the "High Priest" is a form of uncircumcision, and Jesus taught Circumcision in the New Testament, of our Heart and our Person, that is why God is adamant on this position, as it is recorded in daniel (as we've discussed)

    (They will say, where is the Antichrist or his Coming, not knowing what has happened in a few days, but, we should see the level of ethnic euthanasia increase considerable like 2013 to 2014, both in piles of corpses locally and internationally, based on the level of force used against me) (We'll have to see if God allows me to cut the 33 Days of Jonah Short, based on your accusation against God, at the global level, in a few days)

    (Remember Genetic Dan is the Enemy of God and Man, and by those terms, Aaron also is the Enemy of God and Man, so we are handling both issues effectively, but the decision is God's to allow the cutting of these 33 Days Short, to challenge your sin, as the lives of billions begin to come to a full and complete close)
     
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    Those are beautiful scriptures... but hardly supports what you said.

    Certainly Jesus didn't have a problem being called "The Christ" - the Messiah and, as a matter of fact, said he was.
     
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    Old Testament Declaration of "Messiah" (Anointed of Heaven and Earth)
    GENESIS 24:2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:
    GENESIS 24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:


    New Testament Declaration of "No Messiah" (Anointed of Heaven Only, Not of the Earth)
    JOHN 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
    JOHN 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:


    (Taking of Wives was the halmark of the Old Testament to reveal God's Mercies, in the New Testament it is the "Deadly Head Wound"..................God changes the location of what he identifies with his mercies because he has done away with the argument of the "Uncircumsized", to reveal man's hearts with the greater presence of the completed law. You must Chastise your Heart and your Person, and this is impossible for many, but, because that is the law. There can be no "Messiah" and no "High Priest")
     
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    These are beautiful scriptures... but certainly has nothing to do with the Messiah.

    This was about "signs" not about not calling him a Messiah.

    OK...

    I have come to the conclusion that you are out there somewhere... but I have no idea as to where.
     
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    Actually guys - the word just means anointed. Even King David was an anointed one.

    With that - however, - I think he did claim to be the prophesized special awaited Messiah. But he never claimed to be God, - or trinity.

    John 8:58 Said he Jesus, verily, verily, saying to them, for Abraham to be (gonomai) fulfilled, I am.

    (MOSES) Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

    (YHVH) Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

    Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

    (Jesus) Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

    Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Abraham's prophecy concerning the Messiah.)


    Moses and Abraham prophesized the coming of the special Messiah.

    So Jesus is claiming to be such.

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    I forget which of the NT books and letters were not written in Greek. I thought it was the book of Matthew that was written in Hebrew, and all the others in Greek. Yet, it is, perhaps not surprising, that the word Messiah is found in John's.

    John was special and since he probably wrote it in prison in his old age, had plenty of time to mature, to get past the just wanting to tell things historically, so to say. (others had done that already perhaps) He wrote with emotion, heartfelt desire, and being a Jew, he needed the Jewish imprint on Jesus, on the Gospel. So, John had to at least tell us that the --> Messiah <-- had arrived and was at work. The phrasing, " I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ" Tells us twice that Jesus is the Messiah, by also identifying him as the Christ. John is clearly trying to motivate his fellow Jew.

    But, in writing, having done that, it wouldn't be good format to keep doing it. Clearly, in doing it, John shows us the love of his birth nation, people, and his longing for more of them to accept Jesus as Messiah.
     
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    Why does the OP worry about this? The New Testament couldn't be more clear that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, Son of God, Savior of Man from sin. Whether the word "Messiah" is used or not does not matter, the message couldn't be more clear that Jesus is the Messiah.
     
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    Since you include the meaning anointed, you ought to include the detail that it was a pouring of oil on a person's head that anointed that one for some office, some position.

    Jesus' anointing was therefore special since it wasn't perhaps as king, prophet or high priest, etc. Rather, his anointing showed him to be the son of God, the ransom promised, the Lamb of God which when glorified would give him all the official positions, high-priest of the tribe of Judah, King of the tribe of Judah, of the line of King David, Prophet foretold, Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world, if they get baptized into him, and perhaps more.

    I am not sure, but his anointing by oil came late in life before his death (correct me if I am wrong). His being anointed with holy spirit showing him to be the son of God came as his service as high apostle began.
    Hebrews 3:1 . . .consider the apostle and high priest whom we confess—Jesus. . .
     
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    Obviously you skimmed a bit fast and didn't see the word "special" in my post.

    Also - Jesus too was anointed by oil.

    And none of these Christian claims actually makes Jesus the awaited Jewish Messiah. Jesus appears to claims such, - but he was killed.

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