# "No Dark Energy" tells logic and observation

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1. ### questfortruth Well-Known Member

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As the introduction, please look up the "vacuum catastrophe" in
Cosmological constant problem - Wikipedia

If the energy of the vacuum affects the Universe, then the Universe expands infinitely quickly.
It does not expand so fast, therefore the energy of the vacuum does not affect the universe.
And if it does not affect, then there is no Dark Energy and the Universe does not expand with acceleration
(but expands without acceleration), the latter is indicated by observational data:

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2. ### Regiomontanus retired astronomer

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Watching that second video now. Less than 3 sigma..very interesting...

Thanks for sharing.

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3. ### questfortruth Well-Known Member

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Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that states that Entities should not be multiplied
without necessity.''[1][2] The idea is attributed to English Franciscan friar William of Ockham
(1287--1347), a scholastic philosopher and theologian who used a preference for simplicity to
defend the idea of divine miracles. It is sometimes paraphrased by a statement like
the simplest solution is most likely the right one''.

So, if the influence of vacuum energy is so much reduced (up to 10^{120} times), that most simple theory is complete absence of such influence (due to strong enough tensor X^{\mu\nu}). In such case we would be not having proof for the Dark Energy; and, amazingly, there are new papers, which put existence of Dark Energy in doubt.

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Don't quote Wiki as it is run by Satanists who deny GOD and boost Satan's BigBang Evolution.
There is no dark energy but there is light energy or driect energy. This is the light from each star that pushes against each other star - like a Crookes Radiometer?
When GOD made the stars of Day 4 of Creation their own light began to react against all other stars and that continues today.
As space-universe was empty there was nothing to slow the stars down so they just speed up and separate all the time.
Then of course the fact is that stars are just clusters of hydrogen molecules not solid minerals as Earth's crust is.

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5. ### WhyIsThatSo Well-Known Member

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To expand without acceleration is called ….." IMMANATION "
and I won't even get into what that word really means .

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oh, and the "dark energy" is...…"LIGHT"

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You might recall that GOD made Earth as a ball of water and basic elements?
The water separated into hydrogen and oxygen.
The light hydrogen molecules floated off into space where they are found today - NASA says so.
The oxygen molecules attached to the elements to make the minerals - iron OXIDE etc?
The moon and planets show unmistakable marks of draining running water as well as having ice in shadows.
The moon rings hoolow under impact of redundant space craft because it is just a shell that lost all its water.
As the moon has water in its shadows it is logical proof it is young as if vastly old as big bangers claim or if made from meteorite impact on Earth it would have been so hot that all water would have floated away into space.
The ice giants have never managed to warm up to allow their water to separate off.
The real question is how did the sun get such a mass of hydrogen and helium - if that's really what it's made of?

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I thought dark energy was theorised as a repulsive force to explain the continued acceleration in universe diameter? Based on red-shift observations?

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9. ### Heyo Well-Known Member

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Vacuum energy exists and it effects the universe in a measurable way. (See Casimir effect - Wikipedia)
The question is, is that effect strong enough to cause accelerated expansion. The data on that is still inconclusive.

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There can be redshift without acceleration.

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11. ### questfortruth Well-Known Member

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Please define the "Cosmological Constant Problem."

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12. ### halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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Here's a key assumption you need to look at much better: "If the energy of the vacuum affects the Universe, then the Universe expands infinitely quickly."

That would be true if the dark energy expansion force was large enough. But not the case if the dark energy effect is very small (of course).

The level though is fairly an open question due for instance to the non-agreement of various ways of measuring the expansion.

Here's an helpful background article reporting the observational results on that, from a very competent site that is consistently very unattached to any one point of view, neutral (and I've read dozens of sites that report astrophysics/cosmology stuff), and also well written. You need this in order to know what's going on more fully:

New Wrinkle Added to Cosmology’s Hubble Crisis | Quanta Magazine

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13. ### Heyo Well-Known Member

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I'm fine with the Wikipedia definition. (Although I haven't heard it referred to as the "Vacuum Catastrophe". That, for me, is vacuum decay. False vacuum - Wikipedia)

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Repulsive is same as light wave energy that pushes radionmeters round?
I've never seen any estimate of the force generated in a radiometer but logically if scaled up the force would be immense enough to push weightless stars away?
First quote I found: In addition, light is made of photons which don't have any mass. ... By transferring their momentum, photons are able to exert a force on an object. Physicists refer to it as an optical force. The higher the frequency of the light, the larger its momentum and, therefore, a stronger force it can exert.24 Oct 2016.

We are so used to being told the solar system is held together by gravity attraction so the idea the stars have power is unacceptable....

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That article shows just how silly the astrophysicists are!
quote: 'When cosmologists extrapolate data from the early universe to predict what the cosmos should be like now,'

It's only in last hundred years they have had anything like precision telescopes to measure things.

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16. ### halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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Why not learn more about the last 100 years of astronomy, the many current observational abilities and what they are seeing, then, before jumping to conclusions?

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Why not understand that 100 years of observations and constantly changing theories are not a sound basis for fact?

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18. ### ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee. Premium Member

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You seem to
It means flowing. As a river. Why do you need to keep it secret?

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19. ### ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee. Premium Member

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What theories have changed?

Methinks you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting the meaning of scientific theory.

I think what you actually mean is that hypothesis have been modified based on new data.

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Yes, that's the official "Webster" meaning, or whatever source one uses,
the secret meaning ( like all words have ) goes a lot deeper and requires a lot of explaining.
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