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Featured No Class

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Thief, Jun 16, 2019.

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  1. can't happen.... class is required

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  2. class is an illusion and should be abolished

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  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    you have heard this pointed at others
    and maybe yourself

    but hey.....is it possible?
    to walk in a place.....ANY place
    and see NO class separation?

    note the book of Job as we begin
     
  2. Shadow Wolf

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    I don't think it can, or should, happen. We should work to break down divides, but ultimtely in the end we'll still need those "above" to guide and lead and those "below" to make it happen. Ideally, I think this would look more like Star Trek, where there clearly is a captain but all are free to speak up and not thought of as less for being a social (or military in this example) rank lower.
     
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  3. The Reverend Bob

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    If you live in a consumerist society, class is inevitable. Whether that consumerist society is communist or capitalist, you will always eventually have the haves and the have-nots. It is the curse of consumerism.
     
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    Class is generally comprised of morals and sophistication of language and knowledge.

    Lower classes house the foul tongue while upper classes possess the knowledge that vulgar language defiles and so they refrain from it.
     
  5. Shadow Wolf

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    I can assure you, I know and have known legit upper class people who curse and drink like sailors. I myself also have a far better grasp of ethics, grammar, language, and even math than some of those rich people I know.
     
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    I'm poverty in one of the wealthiest counties in the country. Want to know why poverty dwells among wealth?

    I used to have a touch of class.

    Wealth is the predominant indicator of class but that is not the full picture. Look closer to see what comprises and divides class. It is not wealth.

    As for those you know, they are two faced and put their best foot and face forward (performance) when and where they need to.
     
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    Its not your fault for being in poverty if you have a potty mouth. My sister, she has an income that luts her in the 10% earners range. Shes broke not because of class or her mouth but because shes a fool with her money she lives in a camper. Very often where there is poverty there is untreated mental illness, serious problems with drug abuse and violence (often gang related), and lack of opportunities to do better. Dont condemn yourself over it. Ive done social work and had a habit of listening to the most inappropriate music possible while I was doing notes or going to a clients house.
     
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  8. The Reverend Bob

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    The OP is not about that type of class
     
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    During the first part of my life (youth until early adulthood) I did not swear or call people names. I would caution people against vulgarity and profanity but (gotmyasskicked) for it.

    When in labor delivering my first born child I cried out "goodness gracious" and was ridiculed for it.

    I spoke perfect proper English and was viciously despised for it.

    It was all beaten out of me.

    Poverty of wealth is different from poverty of spirit and poverty of knowledge (I'm referring to moral knowledge, not forbidden knowledge).

    Anyway, sorry to hear your sister is screwy. I hope she's able to figure out her malfunction and correct it.

    Music, oh GROAN...
     
  10. Vinayaka

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    It's human nature to have a follower personality or a leader personality, in many varying degrees. The 'followers' don't make good leaders. If the entire world stood around with the attitude of letting someone else do it, it may be a sort of classless society, but it would also be stagnant. So class is a natural sorting of people into what they are suited for. It might, however, be possible to end class based discrimination.
     
  11. Thief

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    and kicking this in the direction of Job.....

    the sons of God gathered to present themselves
    I note first.....the plural
    many sons

    then I note......why ANY presentation?
    are the sons of God vying for position?

    and with them came the devil
    and it is God Himself in the devil's face...….
    What the hell are YOU doing here?

    and the devil in retort...I don't need Your permission to be here
    I come and go as I damn well please to

    God circles the retort and delivers an insult.....
    Have you considered the LEAST of My SERVANTS?....
    Job

    this discussion is a matter of position and person

    class

    and if God and heaven display such give and take
    where do we fit in?
     
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    Need option...
    Class happens.
     
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    It is the first thing that happens after the revolution
     
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    Until we have a post-scarcity society class will exist. Class can only be suppressed by tyrants until then.
     
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    I would support the immediate removal of any authority figure who approves the use of torture, let alone allowing one of their own to be tortured just to make a point. (I support heirarchy as a pragmatic sollution, but I tend to be opposed to "authority.")
     
  16. ChristineM

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    I guess you don't know many upper class people. There was a member of the royal family famous for swearing like a trooper. The queen has been heard uttering the F-word.
     
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    Wrong, breeding, family history is the predominant indicator of class.
     
  18. Thief

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    Someone has to be in charge
     
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    Yes. But its how they use their power that matters. I have no patients for those who abuse thiers.
     
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    I might assume.....the Guy in charge
    having formed existence in the first place
    could know and understand the consequence for allowing human spirit
    card blanc
     
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