mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So dictionaries are true?
I mean I know of one, which says that atheism is amoral. Now what?Regards
Mikkel
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Nine Questions Some Creationists Feel Are Real Stumpers
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So dictionaries are true?
I mean I know of one, which says that atheism is amoral. Now what?Regards
Mikkel
exchemist
Veteran Member
Search me. You are the one asking silly questions.So dictionaries are true?
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Mikkel
ecco
Veteran Member
...and others. He just was the most thorough.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Search me. You are the one asking silly questions.
Well, I from a long line of teachers. I was told that there are no silly or stupid questions. Only stupid answers. So right back at you.
1. We did not 'come from monkeys'. We 'came from' and *are* apes. if you don't know the difference, then you need to learn a bit more before criticizing what you don't understand.
In evolution, species can *split* into two because of differences in environment that different parts of the population experience.
2. To be a *scientific* theory means that it has been tested repeatedly against observations and even attempts to prove it wrong. That is the closest thing we have to 'fact'. Creationism and the Bible don't even qualify as scientific *hypotheses*, which are much, much less than theories.
3. While Lucy is a very complete skeleton of an Australopithecus, it is far from being the only one, even of the same species. So the question is based on a false premise.
4. Gene duplication and subsequent mutation is a big driver for new information. Also, natural selection, because it isn't purely random, also adds information (by removal of randomness).
5. This question is also based on a false premise. The laws of thermodynamics simply don't negate either the Big Bang model or evolution. But, of course, to understand why not, you have to understand what thermodynamics is actually saying (and what the BB model and evolution say). For example, if you think that the second law of thermodynamics says that order cannot form spontaneously, then you need to learn more thermodynamics.
6. This is a confusion between the conventional and the scientific definitions of 'theory'. Specifically, a scientific theory *is* required to be testable, repeatable, etc. Creationisms doesn't even come close.
7. This is irrelevant to evolution or science. My personal view is that *humans* are the ones that create meaning. Deities are irrelevant.
8. Sunsets are produced by light from the sun refracting in the atmosphere. Deities have nothing to do with it.
9. Yes, it is completely illogical. In fact, it is a version of Last Thursdayism.
Well, I from a long line of teachers. I was told that there are no silly or stupid questions. Only stupid answers. So right back at you.
Actually, there *are* stupid and silly questions. The ones you don't intend to learn from and/or where you already know the answer and are just being trollish are stupid and/or silly.
Now, if someone *is* wanting to learn, and is not simply being trollish, then the question isn't stupid.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
As for question #1: If we came from monkeys why are there still monkeys?
The ancestors of most people who live in the United States came from Europe. Are creationists also baffled as to how there can still be Europeans?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
What causes humans to create meaning or is meaning an effect without a cause? If you answer than please stay away from religion and stay within methodological naturalism.
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Mikkel
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Can you always trust the definition of a word to reflect the world?
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Mikkel
ecco
Veteran Member
Stand on the balcony of a tall building overlooking the ocean.
It will quickly become very clear that the shape of the earth is a flat disk, not a spear.
Throw a ball up and it will come down because things fall down. You never see things fall up! The idea of the earth being a spear is nonsense.
The theory of evolution is just as phoney as the theory of gravity.
Jesus, the Great Teacher, will be here soon to put an end to all this misinforation.
It will quickly become very clear that the shape of the earth is a flat disk, not a spear.
Throw a ball up and it will come down because things fall down. You never see things fall up! The idea of the earth being a spear is nonsense.
The theory of evolution is just as phoney as the theory of gravity.
Jesus, the Great Teacher, will be here soon to put an end to all this misinforation.
Counting up the times given in the Bible. Here is a compilation I have made (it has been posted previously).
Genesis 5.3: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
Genesis 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
Total: 130+105 = 235 years
Genesis 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
Total: 235+90 = 325 years
Genesis 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
Total: 325+70 = 395 years
Genesis 5:15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
Total: 395+65 = 460 years
Genesis 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
Total: 460+162 = 622 years
Genesis 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
Total: 622+65 = 687 years
Genesis 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
Total: 687+187 = 874 years.
Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
Total: 874+182 = 1056 years
Genesis 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
Total: 1056+600 = 1656 years
This gives the date of the flood according to the Bible.
Genesis 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
Total: 1056+601 = 1657 years
This gives the date of the end of the flood.
Genesis 11:10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
Total: 1657+2 = 1659 years
This is a bit ambiguous: is the two years measured from the beginning or the end of the flood? I used the end of the flood.
Genesis 11:12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
Total: 1659+35 = 1694 years
Genesis 11:14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
Total: 1694+30 = 1724 years
Genesis 11:16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
Total: 1724+34 = 1758 years
Genesis 11:18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
Total: 1758+30 = 1788
Genesis 11:20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
Total: 1788+32 = 1820 years
Genesis 11:22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
Total: 1820+30 = 1850 years
Genesis 11:24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
Total: 1850+29 = 1879 years
Genesis 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
Total: 1879+70 = 1949 years
Genesis 21:5 And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him.
Note: Abram and Abraham are the same person.
Total: 1949+100 = 2049 years.
Genesis 25:26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
Total: 2049+60 = 2109 years
Genesis 47:28 And Jacob lived in the land of Egypt seventeen years: so the whole age of Jacob was an hundred forty and seven years.
Total: 2109+147 = 2256 years
This means that Jacob went into Egypt at
Total: 2256-17 = 2239 years.
Exodus 12:40 Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.
Note: this is an over-estimate: some people think the 430 years starts when Abraham went into Canaan.
Total: 2239+430 = 2669 years.
1 Kings 6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.
Note: some would add to this the 40 years in the desert.
Total: 2669+480 = 3149 years.
The temple stood for 410 years:
Total: 3149+410 = 3459 years
Destruction of the temple of Solomon by Neuchadnezzer was in 587 BC.
This means that Adam was formed 3459+587 = 4046 BC.
The global flood ended 4046-1657=2389 BC.
Note: If you think the 430 years starts when Abraham went into Canaan, the dates would be:
Adam formed: 4006 BC
Global flood end: 2349 BC
If you think the 2 years for the begetting of Arphaxad was at the beginning of the flood, then the dates are
Adam formed: 4004 BC
Global flood ended: 2347 BC
Wandering Monk
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The utility of a word is irrelevant to the definition of the word.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I can define a blorp to be a married bachelor even if there are no unmarried bachelors. The word may not apply to anything, but I can still define it that way.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes, and what is the utility of that?
Here is a fun example which rests on playing with words.
"All thinking is a process of identification and integration. Man perceives a blob of color; by integrating the evidence of his sight and his touch, he learns to identify it as a solid object; he learns to identify the object as a table; he learns that the table is made of wood; he learns that the wood consists of cells, that the cells consist of molecules, that the molecules consist of atoms. All through this process, the work of his mind consists of answers to a single question: What is it? His means to establish the truth of his answers is logic, and logic rests on the axiom that existence exists. Logic is the art of non-contradictory identification. A contradiction cannot exist. An atom is itself, and so is the universe; neither can contradict its own identity; nor can a part contradict the whole. No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the total sum of his knowledge. To arrive at a contradiction is to confess an error in one’s thinking; to maintain a contradiction is to abdicate one’s mind and to evict oneself from the realm of reality."
—Ayn Rand Lexicon
Can you spot the fun?
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Mikkel
Nobody said it has any utility. I said it is possible to make that a definition. And that shows it is possible to make definitions that have no utility and no application to the real world.