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Featured Nine Pieces Of Evidence That Confirm The Historical Accuracy Of The Bible

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Skwim, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Veteran Member
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    Catholic just means universal...
     
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    I saw the x-files crossover where the big bad apocalyptic monster was a couple of central casting mummies. Seemed like a let down.
     
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    We're heading down a bit of an obscure derail, but on closer inspection, you may actually find that harder than you think. While the '38 broadcast is famous for inspiring mass panic, A. what panic there was was probably among people thinking the reports were about German attacks, rather than Martians, and B. the actual cases of people panicking were probably far fewer than what was reported. It's one of those things "everyone knows" about, but the story as popularly known has a lot more to do with what makes a good story than any actual historical reality.

    The War of the Worlds (radio drama) - Wikipedia
     
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    How about 900 examples? Or 9,000? Because that's what we HAVE in archaeology, fulfilled prophecy, human history, and life changes.
     
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    That's the exact fallacious reasoning this thread is about.

    As I already mentioned, We can check that Abraham Lincoln was a real Person. That does not make Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter a true story.
     
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    Every time I see the "all these fulfilled prophecies!" claim, I ask for a list of unambiguous fulfilled Biblical prophecies. I must have asked over a hundred times, and I have only ever had two answers. The first is no response. The second is; "... well... Israel..." and that's it. Got any others?

    All the archaeological claims support the historical context of Biblical stories, but with few exceptions, rarely do the support the specific events of the Bible except in the broadest of terms. By all means, show me examples to the contrary, please.

    "Human history"? I think that's double dipping in the archaeology well.

    "Life changes" I'm not even sure what that's meant to mean, let alone how it's evidence of Biblical accuracy.

    In short, I think you're ad hoc-ing. Please feel free to prove me wrong.
     
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    What would you call those among us who live
    up to these standards and more, though not
    Christians nor religious in any sense?
     
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    "People".
     
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    And nobody says it is.

    What you conveniently leave out is ye elephant in room.

    There are some real big parts that not only lack
    evidence, but are so thoroughly and obviously false,
    that educated Christians have only two ways
    they can go- Intellectual dishonesty, or, interpret
    things like the flood as metaphor.
     
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    That is correct, I am not the judge but...
    I'm pretty sure that the guidelines of identifying who is Christian and who is not were clearly stated in the Bible.

    Ephesians 4:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
    There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

    There is only one Christian faith, not a variety of Christian faiths. - it must be the genuine tamale.
    They said tamales are delicious, however I haven't tried one.

    That genuine one Christian faith has one God and Father of all.
    It does not have the Son as God
    It does not have the Holy Spirit as God
    Only the Father is God.
    Other than that, it ain't Christian amigo.

    1 Corinthians 10:14 New International Version (NIV)
    Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.

    The New Testament Bible says flee from idolatry but yet you have these so called Christian churches having and venerating the cross, statues, paintings and relics. These are idols. I wish they could snap out of their zombie like state and realize they are just worshiping a piece of wood which some drunk made.

    zombie-church.jpg

    I have not come across the Tyre but I'm biased to Goodyear brands.
    They usually last 10 years and really saves up the cost of replacing these tyres.
     
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    Those who want to maintain the fiction of
    biblical prophecy are understandably disinclined
    to "run across" Tyre.
     
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    That is correct. The Bible doesn't say the earth will be destroyed.

    The earth will be laid bare:

    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

    In fact, what will be cleansed of are written in Zephaniah:

    Zephaniah 1:2-3 New International Version (NIV)
    “I will sweep away everything
    from the face of the earth,”
    declares the Lord.
    “I will sweep away both man and beast;
    I will sweep away the birds in the sky
    and the fish in the sea—
    and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble.”

    “When I destroy all mankind
    on the face of the earth,”
    declares the Lord,

    Seen the link you disclosed - are you a Preterist?
    Preterism - Wikipedia
     
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    And are you a world wide flood believer?
     
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    Yes.

    Who is Zephaniah 1:2-3 is referring to?

    I think he was talking about the coming judgment of Judah.

    Zephaniah’s prophetic revelations and stern warnings occurred during Josiah’s reign (Zephaniah 1:1), and this would place his writings between 640 and 609 B.C.

    Josiah led Judah to religious and social reform, but Zephaniah declared that these spiritual changes would not last. The people of Judah would return to wickedness and rebellion against God.
     
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    In general, it does seem the bible says whatever
    anyone wants it to say. Though some opinions
    are at least better based than others,
     
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    That happens when you use an incomprehensible bible.
    Maybe it would help to understand the verse using a more contemporary bible translation.

    Revelation 3:21 New International Version (NIV)
    To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

    Revelation 3:21 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
    “I will let everyone who wins the victory sit with me on my throne. It was the same with me. I won the victory and sat down with my Father on his throne.

    The white horse and its rider has nothing to do with Rev 3:21

    The one who is speaking here is the Lord Jesus inviting the one and everyone who is victorious, the right to sit with him on the throne.

    Nice try, but its a dud.
    Anyway there was a disco song about the white horse.
    Enjoy!

     
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    Agreed.
    It means universal.

    universal
    adjective
    uni·ver·sal | \ ˌyü-nə-ˈvər-səl

    \
    Definition of universal
    (Entry 1 of 2)

    1 : including or covering all or a whole collectively or distributively without limit or exception especially : available equitably to all members of a society universal health coverage
    2a : present or occurring everywhere
    b : existent or operative everywhere or under all conditions universal cultural patterns
    3a : embracing a major part or the greatest portion (as of humankind) a universal state universal practices
    b : comprehensively broad and versatile a universal genius
    4a : affirming or denying something of all members of a class or of all values of a variable
    b : denoting every member of a class a universal term
    5 : adapted or adjustable to meet varied requirements (as of use, shape, or size) a universal gear cutter a universal remote control

    It was Ignatius who coined the word. And on the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia puts it this way:

    The combination "the Catholic Church" (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110. The words run: "Wheresoever the bishop shall appear, there let the people be, even as where Jesus may be, there is the universal [katholike] Church."
    CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Catholic

    Which reminds me of Revelation 17:1

    Which is an evidence of the historical value and prophetic value of the Bible.
    It prophesied the emergence of the Universal church and its growth
    after the death of the apostle John
     
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    Will somebody show me where Tyre is?
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    Motor Vehicle Tyres

    What is the prophecy?
    Where do I find it?
    Why did you say it was a failed prophecy?
     

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    Yes, and probably Jesus had a nose, who would prove His human nature, as deep studies and Biblical Scholarship (B.S) had already ascertained on pure spiritual grounds.

    Ciao

    - viole
     
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