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Featured Nice Guy, This Christian God

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Oct 17, 2018.

  1. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

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    Of course you'd contend it's not the original pagan influenced literal torture of the immortal soul. One has to discard the whole idea in order to bring the Bible in accord with one's theology. :rolleyes:

    Silliness gone amok.

    All of which puts the idea of salvation through Christ in the trash can.

    None of which, according to your theology, matters because I'll be resurrected right along with the righteous, which includes yourself I imagine.

    No, it's simply that you can't allow it to make sense, because to do so would fell your theology.

    Nah. I simply don't go along with cherry-picking it apart to meet my needs.

    have a good day.

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    Skwim Veteran Member

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    Sure it would. In fact there's all sorts of ways to repair the current operation. Problem is, Christians are wedded to the Bible, which constrains what can be said about god, Jesus, and the big plan. However!! most simply construct a theology of sorts and then pick through the Bible finding whatever they can to support it. Of course this almost always means ignoring those pieces that are in opposition to the theology, but for the ardent Christian it's no more than an inconsequential sacrifice of integrity.

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  3. Bob the Unbeliever

    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    Ask questions? I did that for 45 years... the only answers I got, came from **men**, and most were nonsensical.

    Nothing from god or anything resembling god.
     
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    Skwim Veteran Member

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    And isn't this a fine kettle of fish he's dumped on everyone. I brought you into a world that will likely end badly for you, but if you catch onto my little game perhaps I'll save you . . . . . or perhaps I won't.

    [​IMG] Love, god.

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    Earthling David Henson

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    If it's Catholic, Protestant, Jehovah's Witness, You, Me or anyone else - if it don't hold up to the bible throw it out. The soul dies. Ezekiel 18:4

    God in hell. Amos 9:1-2 / Psalms 139:8. Jesus in hell Acts of the apostles 2:25-27 / Psalms 16:10.

    No it doesn't.

    No, you and I have made our choice. Why would we need judgment if we have already chosen?

    Wrong. God created us perfect, without sin, with great potential for improvement. What if Adam hadn't sinned? Would there be death, hell? If you are going to evaluate the Bible on the premise that it is a fairy tale at least get the plot right.

    Bull****. Or, maybe you ought to give that a try 'cause, damn. What you are doing isn't working.
     
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    Earthling David Henson

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    Then you were asking the wrong men.
     
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    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I think all my tries are nice. John 3:13 says "no man hath ascended up to heaven". How is that the opposite of my saying no one goes to heaven? Can you make a nice try to explain?
     
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    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    There is a branch of the Bank of England located in New York. OF does not mean the same as IN. The Kingdom of Heaven is also sometimes called the Kingdom of God. It is not located in God. God can put His kingdom where ever He wants and He has promised to send Jesus back to EARTH to rule over this kingdom OF Heaven located ON earth. When a murderer is given the death sentence and put to death that punishment lasts forever, it is eternal. God's eternal punishment is that those who do not follow His laws will be put to death ( eternally ). The first death is physical, which everyone will face. Those who do not follow God's laws will face the second death which will be eternal.
     
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    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    Most Christians would agree the Bible doesn't contain any clear answer to questions about how God deals with or judges those who've not had the opportunity to accept/reject Christ. Right? Therefore, speculation is in order for how the Christian God might deal with those who've never received the memo about God's Salvation Plan or lacked the mental capacity to accept/reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior Right?
     
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    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    A super nice version of the Christian God could reincarnate everyone until they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and thus, everyone eventually gets into Heaven. Even, better yet, Christian God could send a worldwide message over the internet that all cancer is cured and amputees are healed. Poof...cancer gone as well as missing limbs fully restored..most people are now persuaded Jesus is God..and they will get into heaven after this life. In fact...I shall make this suggestion to Christian God...and we shall see what happens. :cool: :)

     
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    The theology is kind of bland and limited. Even in my country's state church hell is an optional belief even for priests (who have university education as requirement, masters in theology).
     
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    Does the word “belongs” mean that they are ‘going’ there?
     
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    Yup.

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    Then? According to the Dogma? The Earth would be full of undying humans, and births would be painless and uneventful.

    Someone made a little film about that too.

    The FACT IS? ADAM HAD TO SIN TO MAKE THE REST OF "GOD'S PLANS" EVEN WORK.

    It was a Done Deal from the outset.
     
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    Bob the Unbeliever Well-Known Member

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    LMAO! Because Gawd was out on vacation, or perhaps playing a round of golf?

    Dude! How on EARTH do you get through any doorways, what with an ego the size of Jupiter?

    Seriously....? Of the 8+ billion people on Earth, YOU and (apparently) ONLY YOU have all the "correct" answers?

    Wow. Just... Hubris, much?
     
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    You were right in the first part of your assessment, but everything after you say "The FACT IS" is wrong. God's plan was for man to live forever, to spread out the garden of Eden throughout the planet and live forever in peace upon it. Now that plan has only been temporarily stalled, but it will come about nevertheless, and would have if Adam hadn't sinned.
     
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    No, because you were looking for God in all the wrong places.

    HEY! It isn't easy, I must admit, but not unlike Jupiter most of it is gas.

    Not at all. Millions of people have the correct answers, but the only one you need to worry about is you, so ask me one of those questions and if my answer doesn't suit you keep looking.
     
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    If you say so-- but looking at the "design" of a human body? It's meant to die, and make way for the next generation.

    A static existence such as what you describe would quickly become... hellish, from tedium of repetition.

    And no, I do not consider worship to be a valid pastime-- worship is what slaves who's minds are broken to the whip, do for their owners.

    And slavery? I consider quite immoral. In fact, since slavery is missing from the infamous 10 commandments?

    I consider that list to also be immoral.
     
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    So YOU say. More of your overblown ego? What makes YOU an "expert"? Hmmm?

    I'll raise a virtual cuppa <insert favorite beverage> in salute to a man who can use self-depreciative humor.

    Kudos!

    So, basically what you are saying, is that I keep looking until I find a suitable answer?

    What if the suitable answer is that god appears to be entirely a fabrication of human imagination?

    Because that certainly fits within the guidelines you just stated.

    And VIOLA! Just like that? I have "found god"-- and? It turns out he was never there all along.

    A more suitable answer I could not wish for...
     
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    That's difficult to say, except for the fact that we know we are meant to die. I've heard it said that we seem to be "designed" to live forever, our cells keep renewing, but obviously there's something that causes us to die. This isn't in disagreement with the Bible. You can take the data you have and come to either conclusion, but there are all sorts of things you might not have taken into consideration, like the environment having radically changed, since, for example the flood, prior to which people lived much longer according to the Bible. Of course, you can't mix the Bible and science. You, for example, don't care what the Bible says on the subject, and I, even if science announced we were created by God, couldn't care less except that I wouldn't have to argue about science, which means little to me.

    I disagree. Perhaps you are thinking of life as you know it continuing on forever, which would be hellish. When the Bible says that we were created perfect it means perfect as in a new born baby is perfect. That is that it has great potential. If you think about a newborn baby being perfect in the eyes of it's parents - fat, bald, toothless, unable to feed or relieve itself properly, talk, walk, see very well etc.

    The angels were allowed to exist for a great period of time, in which they matured to the point where they didn't need someone to tell them the wisdom of their creator's sovereignty. The human beings living in a everlasting paradise will eventually be a great deal more advanced than we are. They will have more time to finish what they start and to see it all come to it's perfection.

    People who say that tend to worship themselves, to no benefit to them, no expansion of freedom, no diminishing of responsibility and to their everlasting destruction. But, not to sound glib, to each his own.

    A lot of people are hung up on the slavery thing, not realizing that a far more insidious form of slavery exists that they live in, and we have for thousands of years. Of debt, fractional reserve banking, and of course, of sin.
     
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