Dont give me that ****. I studied irish irish history, in particular the IRA in depth following my aunt and i being injured in the 1996 Manchester bombing.
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New Zealand terror attack and FIANZ response
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Dont give me that ****. I studied irish irish history, in particular the IRA in depth following my aunt and i being injured in the 1996 Manchester bombing.
RestlessSoul
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Well then you can't fail to recognise that the comment "the IRA were formed to rid Ireland of Protestantism" is absurd and has no basis in fact.
PureX
Veteran Member
That's an absurd response.
I will add this: a black Muslim man commits murder ... a bigot thinks it's because he's black. Another bigot thinks it's because he male. And another bigot thinks it's because he's Muslim.
Lots of bigots around. All different kinds.
The ira ira was formed to end british (protestant) rule. That is fact
Regiomontanus
Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
His Catholicism inspired his act of terrorism? Absurd.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Have you read the bible?
I am not saying it inspired, but the teachings will certainly moulded his life and thought patterns
You need to learn some irish and english history.
Not the revisionist pap served up after the troubles ended but real history
No, but the Branch Davidians apparently did. McVeigh attacked the OKC Federal building in order to take revenge on their behalf over what the Feds did at Waco. On that basis, it could be considered religiously-inspired.
Regiomontanus
Ματαιοδοξία ματαιοδοξιών! Όλα είναι ματαιοδοξία.
Quite the stretch there.
Well, it would be an even larger stretch to suggest that it constitutes non religious inspired terrorism.
"We're not religious, therefore we will be terrorists!" said no terrorist ever.
The IRA splintered though, based largely on one faction moving away from Catholic roots, and sectarianism, and towards class-based struggle (ie. Marxism).
I'm simplifying, but the Official IRA was a Marxist organisation (along with other splinter groups, such as INLA), whilst the Provos represented the more traditional IRA and it's Catholic roots.
Meh, in any case, it scarcely matters. The IRA in a holistic sense had both religious and political motivations. It wasn't simply atheism that motivated them.
No atheism involved.
And i believe the split occurred because of an outbreak of violence in which several catholics were killed
It is like denying that the Holy Inquisition was Catholic Church Terrorism. It was.
Are IRA people all Catholics? Yes they are.
I do not understand why we should deny that certain people are of a particular religion.
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Are IRA people all Catholics? Yes they are.
I do not understand why we should deny that certain people are of a particular religion.
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We Never Know
No Slack
Bad people do bad things, .
Being raised catholic by parents does not make one catholic. If that's the case, anyone raised with a religion are always that religion. You included. So what denomination are you?
I wasn't entirely sure what was meant by 'non religious inspired terrorism'. Of course, there has been a lot of terror attacks that had nothing to do with religion (or atheism, for that matter).
Ultimately, terror attacks I'm aware of have been inspired by some sort of positive belief...something that atheists can/do of course have and can be motivated by.
The RAF for example, were largely motivated by anti-fascism, with their own flavour of left wing political views heavily influenced by the particulars of German post-war politics.
The Mau Mau is a strange group to include as an example of 'non religious' terror, though. The nature of the oath was pretty deliberately structured in a ritualistic and religious way. Still, they had clear motivations that had little to do with religion, so perhaps that's what you meant?
The ANC...well, much like the Mau Mau, there were legitimate grievances against pretty gross colonial oppression. That doesn't justify all actions taken (particulary in the case of Kenya) but nationalism is a powerful force when combined with a minority government.
The Angry Brigade reference confused me a little. Sure, they're terrorists, but from memory they killed no-one, and in fact deliberately tried to limit damage. Anyways...no dramas, just not used to seeing them in a list with groups like the IRA, or the Mau Mau.
So...I guess you're just saying not all terror is religiously motivated? I'd go further and say the majority is politically motivated.
Mostly agree. I was raised CoE, but am certainly not CoE.
I think it's possible to make an argument that some populations are impacted by religion even where an adherent is not religious, though. Catholicism impacted on the IRA above and beyond the individual belief of each member.
We Never Know
No Slack
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Absolutely not true. Terror has been perpetrated by numerous atheistic/ Communist groups. Think, for example, of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia between 1975-79. Somewhere between 1.5 and 2 million people died in their transformation of Cambodia into a socialist state.